Do people actually realise how few are dying from coronavirus now?

[Mrschickpeabody]

It’s all still doom and gloom on the news as normal regarding coronavirus. Loads about cases going up, local lockdowns, negativity regarding schools going back but nothing about the fact that hardly anyone is actually dying from coronavirus or being admitted to hospital. Can we not hear about positive things for once?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom

You need to look at deaths per million of population. See link below.

www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Sweden has less deaths per million despite not locking down.

Spain has more deaths per million despite having a very draconian lockdown

You can not compare Sweden with Spain or the UK. Try comparing Sweden with Denmark and Norway.

but why are some people determined to push us back to how things were back in March by pretending it’s all over. Lockdown was shit... I really don’t want to go back to it. I makes no sense to agitate for something that will achieve the opposite of what you want.

Yes, I find it weird that those who claim lockdown effects are worse than coronavirus seem to be the same ones agitating to stop social distancing, masks etc.

If lockdown is so bad why on earth would you want to do the very things that will lead to another lockdown?

I don't want increases in coronavirus which cause another lockdown, so I social distance and wear a mask.

MrsMcMuffins

Please tell me why the uk cannot be compared to Sweden and Spain. if possible research your answer first.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Well, you know that thing the government did? That thing everybody either stuck to like glue or ignored? Well, it worked well enough to reduce community infection rates. Yes, you read me... it worked

So all we have to do now is keep on doing what we are doing, tighten up the areas that are not until all areas have zero cases. Then we can assume that community infection rates won't rise at an exponential rate putting us right back where we started!

Or were all of those daily briefings wasted on you?

All that freely piublished information too?

Oh, no! You seem to be able to cherry pick some data!

I love this post. Thank you.

@MH1111

Jaichangecentfoisdenom

You need to look at deaths per million of population. See link below.

www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Sweden has less deaths per million despite not locking down.

Spain has more deaths per million despite having a very draconian lockdown

I was comparing Sweden with Norway and the UK, though, not with Spain. Norway is in a comparable socio-economic-geographic situation to Sweden, and the UK is where you live. Spain doesn't actually come in to my argument. But you're not wrong. It's bloody shit.

Sweden has less deaths per million despite not locking down.

Spain has more deaths per million despite having a very draconian lockdown

That's in reverse.

Spain had a very draconian lockdown BECAUSE they were having a high number of deaths per million.
Sweden didn't need a draconian lockdown BECAUSE their death rate never got too high. They naturally socially distance more than the Spanish. ;) Higher number of single occupant households, for example.

Because they are very different countries and it would be more natural to compare Sweden to neighbouring countries Norway and Denmark which are more similar. Stockholm is not London and Sweden have few big cities. The population is already quite socially distanced. Spain again has a very different family culture than both Sweden and the UK. Brits don’t flick on holiday to Swedish beaches.... There are a lot of reasons why you cannot make direct comparisons. Also Sweden is more locked down than you perhaps think though they did keep schools open. They themselves admit they did not manage to protect their care homes well.

@walksen

"pointless suffering"

I don't doubt some people are suffering but it's not pointless is it? We are "controlling the virus" and "saving lives". Otherwise there'd be even more people suffering wouldn't there?

Does covid related suffering not count or something?

We’re not controlling the virus by going on lockdown again. 47 thousand pubs opened up last months. Millions of people back out socialising.

Still a stark decrease in deaths and hospital admissions - the lowest it’s ever been. The figures speak for themselves!

@Lweji - also, Sweden and Spain are very different in their distribution of population - Sweden's population far more widespread and far fewer cities than Spain. No different from Norway, actually, which is doing far better than Sweden, currently, having taken the opposite stance from Sweden from the beginning. Comparing like with like.

Still utter bollocky bollocky bollocks

And whoever suggested @Malkus - what a load of twaddle.

MrsMcMuffins

Most swedes live in towns and cities where the population is similar to the uk. You can google this and compare the two countries the information is readily available.

Spain also has similar population densities in its towns and cities. No one was flocking to its beaches as they were closed during lockdown.

It’s also worth mentioning that Sweden has a much better health system than the UK. Wasn’t the NHS approach at first to stay at home until you turned blue or something? We now know that it’s better to start treating early with oxygen.

@MH1111 you are simply not correct with that statement. I have lived many years in Sweden and know the country well.

The government and media have done such a good job of installing fear into people that a lot don’t want to see or believe the figures.

@Reubenshat - how do you account for continued and extended lockdown in the Greater Manchester area, because of rising figures?

@MH1111
As most transmission is indoors, it matters how many people live in the same household, and use crowded public transports, rather than just population density, or densities outdoors.

Sweden has one of the highest single occupancy rates, and of childless couples.
They did close universities and recommended social distancing.

Still, and as pointed out by others, they did have more deaths than similar neighbouring countries who implemented stricter measures.

how do you account for continued and extended lockdown in the Greater Manchester area, because of rising figures?

Standard answer for that is" increased testing.". Some of us think that is because more people develop symptoms so go for a test. This is noticed by test and trace who ramp up testing in outbreaks to identify patterns/ sources/ identify the scale involved etc.

Others think it is to control the sheeple

Do people actually realise that the long term effects of the illness are still a thing and many people are just as concerned about this??

OP, you do realise that dying isn't the only bad thing that can happen to you- or even to the economy? LongCovid is emerging as a serious problem: people who fell ill in March and are still unable to resume normal life. Scarring of the lungs, heart damage- we have no idea how that is going to play out in the long term.
Fewer people may be dying, but those who sustained long-term damage before lockdown still need support now. I know at least 3 such people personally.

Why is it that anyone who questions the severity of this virus is branded a brexiteer, or a covidiot, or deemed to be of lesser intelligence?

Surely, someone who can digest the data, and make an analytical and thought out response should have the same back?

majority die after 28 days when their deaths are discounted?

That's simply false. I am constantly surprised by the repetition of falsehoods on the Internet. Apart from anything else, fewer people are dying now of all causes than do in an average year.

MrsMcMuffins

I’m going off the population density statistics you can find on google.

how do you account for continued and extended lockdown in the Greater Manchester area, because of rising figures?

Isn't it simply to prevent a new surge in the numbers of cases? It's a preventative move.