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Think the focus should shift to university

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CKBJ · 29/08/2020 20:30

I am still concerned for my children to return to school, not because I think they will become unwell but the risk of Covid entering our house where vulnerable grandparents live with us and for the teaching staff who seem to have little protection. However, not much is being said about universities opening in a few weeks and the new focus should be this.

Many, many students will be moving into halls of residence and student houses bringing together students from all over the country. Independent sage has been arguing for all courses unless they require lab/practical elements to be offered online and remotely. This won’t suit all students but does give them an option and possibly reduce the amount of students moving around the country. Fees should be reduced accordingly. As the majority of students use a student loan to pay fees, they should only be responsible for paying for say 3/4s back and the 1/4 is covered by the government therefore meaning the university doesn’t lose any funding. The government seems to find money for many other things.

I was just considering the education side but obviously there is the whole social side as well. Many cities will have an influx of students into their pubs and bars. This could put a lot of pressure on the local areas increasing the possibility of transmission.

It seems nearly every year there are outbreaks of Meningitis and other illnesses that seem to occur when students all gather together. These aren’t going away, they will still be a risk and the added risk will be Covid.

I’m grateful I my children are not heading off to university this year but do feel for those who are and their families. Anyone else have any thoughts?

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mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 13:35

@SnuggyBuggy

Christmas with friends might be more fun than alone in his room for 2 weeks.
Presumably his friends may have gone to his parents though.
mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 13:36

his their!

SnuggyBuggy · 01/09/2020 13:36

True, just sounds a bit bleak to me.

notevenat20 · 01/09/2020 13:44

Are lots of DCs deferring now they know what uni will be like this coming year?

SueEllenMishke · 01/09/2020 13:45

Commuter students aren't going to be on campus much anyway though as lectures are online. They will only be there for a very limited number of tutorials or labs for which there will be much better social distancing than that can be achieved in schools

This will vary between universities . 60% of our students are commuter students and we're trying to make sure all have face to face sessions on campus. I agree that there will be more social distancing than schools though

lifeafter50 · 01/09/2020 13:48

Are lots of DCs deferring now they know what uni will be like this coming year?
Lots are going instead of of taking gap year ad there are no jobs. A friend's DC who was not going to apply went to clearing and just got into UEA with C and a D and a pass in Btech.

mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 13:53

@SueEllenMishke

Commuter students aren't going to be on campus much anyway though as lectures are online. They will only be there for a very limited number of tutorials or labs for which there will be much better social distancing than that can be achieved in schools

This will vary between universities . 60% of our students are commuter students and we're trying to make sure all have face to face sessions on campus. I agree that there will be more social distancing than schools though

Yes it will vary. I work on a campus university and while there are some commuter students, face-to-face sessions are limited and not compulsory next term. Social distancing will be quite easy considering that all lectures are online and we have empty rooms and lecture theatres in which to space out. I don't think it is a big issue compared with schools going back.
mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 13:54

@notevenat20

Are lots of DCs deferring now they know what uni will be like this coming year?
No because gap years won't be much fun either.
SueEllenMishke · 01/09/2020 13:58

empty rooms and lecture theatres in which to space out.

This is our biggest issue. In my building our classrooms are quite small and with SD it means we can often only fit 8 students in. Lots of us are having to double up our teaching as well as provide online sessions for those that can't attend....it's going to be an exhausting term!

Badbadbunny · 01/09/2020 13:58

@SnuggyBuggy

Is it really worth him coming home if he has to spend half of the holidays isolating?
It's up to him what he does. He is fully aware of OH's cancer and vulnerability and is happy to do whatever he has to do to protect him. He's under no pressure to come home and could stay in halls over Christmas if he wants to.
Badbadbunny · 01/09/2020 13:59

@SnuggyBuggy

True, just sounds a bit bleak to me.
Not as bleak as losing his father to covid.
SueEllenMishke · 01/09/2020 14:00

Are lots of DCs deferring now they know what uni will be like this coming year?

No because there isn't really anything to do.

Badbadbunny · 01/09/2020 14:02

@SueEllenMishke

Are lots of DCs deferring now they know what uni will be like this coming year?

No because there isn't really anything to do.

None of my son's friends are deferring. They're all keen to get on with Uni as there really isn't anything else to do, and they're already fed up after 6 months of doing nothing.
SueEllenMishke · 01/09/2020 14:43

None of my son's friends are deferring. They're all keen to get on with Uni as there really isn't anything else to do, and they're already fed up after 6 months of doing nothing.

Exactly. A traditional gap year isn't really an option and there aren't really the jobs.
If uni is the plan they may as well go now.

Appuskidu · 01/09/2020 15:14

Nobody in my DC’s year is deferring except one who got their grades screwed up by the government. They have been given a place at the university (prestige one and where they always wanted to go) for next year so are waiting-they are really pissed off about being left behind, though. Nobody else is deferring.

Spybot · 01/09/2020 18:52

I live in a university town in the south of the US. Our university was one of the first to go back after the summer and within weeks cases among student and staff rocketed to over 1000 cases . This was with extra safety measures put in place and no students sharing bedrooms (US first years share with a roomie). Two weeks in, the uni decided to go virtual and gave students a few days to get out of campus accommodations and go back home or into private rentals. It's been a nightmare for them and they still had to pay full tuition.
There has been a lot of chat about the students being reckless with their partying and not keeping social distancing but TBH I think this was unavoidable with communal living. Feel really sorry for them. I bet a lot would have preferred to defer but the unis are worried about keeping afloat.

mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 19:20

@Spybot

I live in a university town in the south of the US. Our university was one of the first to go back after the summer and within weeks cases among student and staff rocketed to over 1000 cases . This was with extra safety measures put in place and no students sharing bedrooms (US first years share with a roomie). Two weeks in, the uni decided to go virtual and gave students a few days to get out of campus accommodations and go back home or into private rentals. It's been a nightmare for them and they still had to pay full tuition. There has been a lot of chat about the students being reckless with their partying and not keeping social distancing but TBH I think this was unavoidable with communal living. Feel really sorry for them. I bet a lot would have preferred to defer but the unis are worried about keeping afloat.
Universities are mainly online this term in the UK though so there won't be much face to face interaction between staff and students. There may be cases in halls among first years but they are low risk. Second years and older are generally in private accommodation and a large proportion have been back for weeks.
Mumteedum · 01/09/2020 20:10

We're far from mainly online. Our vc has been in the press loads about the importance of f2f. I'd say I'm doing 3/4 face to face but it's classed as blended from student point of view because we're reducing class sizes and therefore having to alternate classes on rotation. For staff, I'll be seeing students for about 8 hours a week in person. My full time colleague will be doing 9 hours.

We've done as much as poss to make it safe for us and students but it's not up to us really. It's senior leadership team.

SueEllenMishke · 01/09/2020 20:19

I'm also far from mainly online. My f2f teaching has only reduced by 3 hours per week.

mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 20:25

@Mumteedum

We're far from mainly online. Our vc has been in the press loads about the importance of f2f. I'd say I'm doing 3/4 face to face but it's classed as blended from student point of view because we're reducing class sizes and therefore having to alternate classes on rotation. For staff, I'll be seeing students for about 8 hours a week in person. My full time colleague will be doing 9 hours.

We've done as much as poss to make it safe for us and students but it's not up to us really. It's senior leadership team.

Two weeks in, the uni decided to go virtual and gave students a few days to get out of campus accommodations and go back home or into private rentals. It's been a nightmare for them and they still had to pay full tuition.

I'm not sure that they would ask students to go home if cases rise in halls of residence. They couldn't afford to refund them again and from a public health point of view it's probably safer for them to remain in halls rather than go home and potentially infect older parents etc.

mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 20:26

Sorry Mumteedu! I didn't mean to quote your post.

mrpumblechook · 01/09/2020 20:32

@SueEllenMishke

I'm also far from mainly online. My f2f teaching has only reduced by 3 hours per week.
Interesting that there is such variation. I thought that most universities were conducting large lectures online. I don't see how it be feasible to do otherwise unless you have loads of spare lecture theatres.
SueEllenMishke · 01/09/2020 20:40

The plan is to have large lectures online but I run two taught masters which has medium sized groups. We've promised all groups will get at least half a day on campus which has resulted in my timetable looking not too dissimilar to last year .... but I also have a lot of extra online teaching too.

burnoutbabe · 01/09/2020 20:48

@mrpumblechook

What about commuter students? An already large group which is increasing. I run a masters which has students attending from across the north of England. They will also bring doing placements in other educational settings including schools, colleges and universities.

Will they be commuting at the moment though? At the university I work at lectures are online for the first term and there is the opportunity for everything else to be online too apart from labs. I think the numbers commuting to university will be much much lower than previous years for the first term at least. The main spread will be among first years living on campus but they will not interact much with the wider community..

i am a commuter student and no, I won't be going anywhere near campus in the first term (i may go once to drop off my library books)

All lectures online and we have online webinars rather than tutorials. So no need to go near University if we don't want to.

Mumteedum · 01/09/2020 20:51

@mrpumblechook

Sorry Mumteedu! I didn't mean to quote your post.
No problem Wink