Risk to children ‘vanishingly small’

[TeddyIsaHe]

Great article in the Guardian that I hope will put some people’s minds at ease a little before the return to school.

The largest study of children and young people that has been conducted since the beginning of the covid crisis.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/28/vanishingly-small-risk-of-death-or-severe-illness-for-children-from-covid

BMJ study: www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3249

Apparently you not sharing my view means it's OK for you to make spiteful comments.

MN is the site that used to have the strapline

"The one with the swearing"

I think JRobHatch is wrong. But not because of the expletive

It not so reassuring to parent of medically vulnerable children. The fact that it is 'very rare' is also not much comfort, when you have a child who is 'very rare'!

I find the narrative of....phew, it's ok... 'All the children that have died had serious health issues', a difficult one, when I have a child with serious health issues, especially in light of how children like ds, have been largely disregarded in this crisis.

@GalOopNorth

Most of us are concerned not only about the health of our children but also the adults who care for them. Teachers, support staff, parents and grandparents.

Exactly this. Even if every other concern could be removed (I personally want to see more relevant data before schools are at capacity - the plans are so reckless for children) I would still object until the risks are reduced for teachers. 30 in a room should equal more safeguards not less. It’s nothing short of outrageous.

Wow how spiteful things turn on mumsnet if you dare to post anything positive 🙄

@Jrobhatch29 ignore this is all to detract from the positive message, go out and enjoy your baby in the joy of knowing children are of a tiny risk. I’m sure you are a wonderful teacher

Thank you for this thread OP.
I hope there will be a study soon which looks at infection rates in immune compromised children, this data is being collected. I’ve been on leave for 2 weeks, before this, Information was circulated that there had not been any deaths or itu admissions in the uk. Not anything o can link at the moment, but will when published. Isolation precautions have been relaxed for this group.

@Jrobhatch29 please don’t dwell on those unkind comments.

I apologise for swearing, but that comment was just nasty and completely unnecessary. People swear all the time on MN though, its not like I am the first person to swear on here.

@Jrobhatch29

For gods sake why can't we have one thread that doesn't turn into school doom!?!

What a spiteful thing to say. I am in tears now. Really no need. I was only stating my opinion 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

It was so nasty but it’s all on purpose to detract from the positive message, I really don’t know why this happens so much on here. Please don’t take it to heart 💕

...... and if only children taught themselves 🤔

I've just read it and can't see the bit about the risk to Asian children?

@phatsandsmall hardly the same as that wasn't a personal attack on you was it.

Well I will be spreading this positive news story far and wide, I hope some parents will take some reassurance from it.

@Kaiserin

This isn't exactly news, is it?

The main concern has always been that the kids may get a sniffle or even nothing visible, then spread it around like they do with all other bugs (not blaming them, just stating facts)
... And the adults around them (you know, "unimportant" people caring for these kids, like parents, teachers, grandparents...) catch the illness and end up bedridden for weeks, or even in hospital (many teachers/parents are over 40), and possibly die.

Anyone who genuinely cares for kids would be horrified at this prospect for the kid's sake (not just the adults in their lives)

And yet some people insist on constantly deflecting this very legitimate concern with "oh, but kids don't get ill too badly, look at these studies" (by the way, just because the kids don't get hospitalised doesn't mean they don't get poorly, with fever, pain, etc.)

Exactly.

It's hardly news that young, white, children with no underlying health issues seem to escape any serious effects of Covid.

The worry is the other children and the adults around them

Reporting what's already well known, as 'news', when you know what the ACTUAL concern is, is just disingenuous.

Then whinging about People not being joyous about the 'News' 🙇🏻‍♀️

Those same child, though, will have bigger issues than delayed education if they transmit it to parents/grandparents/siblings etc who get very ill or, god forbid, die.

It's going to increase community spread to all kinds of people - we need to find ways to mitigate that instead of pretending it won't happen!!

It's hardly news that other groups are at risk, either.

If this information does nothing to make you feel better, fine, but for goodness sake stop giving other people a kicking for finding something to be positive and feeling somewhat cheered up by it. Other people being as afraid and miserable as you will not help you, will not change anything, will not make the risks to the vulnerable lessen, do you begrudge others having a moment of relative happiness that much?

@SalterWatcher

I've just read it and can't see the bit about the risk to Asian children?

I dont think it includes a risk to Asian children from what I can gather. It only mentions black children as a risk factor I think.

@Bupkis

I'm surprised you're keeping your cool. Thread after thread if being told your DS doesn't count 😢

I don't count either...& I'm fed up of being told that, thread after thread, but if it was my child, I'd be even more hurt

Hang in there 🌷

For God sake we all know that this is not ideal and yes SOME children will die, and yes as SOME teachers/school staff will. It doesn't mean we don't care it just the reality of the pandemic.

BUT the most important thing is that our children and young people get the education they deserve. We don't have an alternative. The Government have proven time and again we do not have an education system that can be taught as distance learning, not to mention the mental well being of the children.

It comes down to whether you are happy with your children being at school or not. If not then you can home school, but you can't dictate whether schools, colleges and university open.

@unmarkedbythat exactly, there are some really miserable people on mumsnet that don’t seem to have any joy for anything, they must have really sad lives, you have to feel a bit sorry for them.

@unmarkedbythat

It's hardly news that other groups are at risk, either.

If this information does nothing to make you feel better, fine, but for goodness sake stop giving other people a kicking for finding something to be positive and feeling somewhat cheered up by it. Other people being as afraid and miserable as you will not help you, will not change anything, will not make the risks to the vulnerable lessen, do you begrudge others having a moment of relative happiness that much?

I presume that's aimed at me?

No, of course I don't begrudge others a moment if relative happiness, but I do think it's ridiculous them making out that it's news- when it's not & saying 'great- MY kids can go back to relative normality' without any consideration for other children who aren't so fortunate and as transmitters to other vulnerable people.

I know loads of white, young, children with no (known) underlying Health conditions and so,of course, I'm thrilled that COVID-19 is unlikely to make them seriously unwell & pleased their parents don't have to be so worried about them. HOWEVER, that's been known for ages and as such isn't my concern.

Protection needs to be in place for the more vulnerable children & adults instead of trying to pretend schools have some magic properties that Kill COVID-19

Exactly @MJMG2015

Clutter you are right a pandemic carries risk. We have to rationalise and manage that.

But how do you think your child's education will be unaffected if a classmate dies, teacher isolates and bubble isolates or teacher dies.

I'm trying to understand why you would prefer to accept that option than campaign alongside others for a safer option and return to minimise the risk if this happening even more?