WHO expect pandemic to be over in 2 years

[mummabear1967]

www.itv.com/news/2020-08-21/world-health-organization-chief-hopes-coronavirus-pandemic-will-be-over-in-two-years

Even if this pandemic does run into 2022, we won’t be stuck with restrictions until then, right? We will be back to normality to some extent? Not sure I could deal with another two years of this crap.

economic boom ... due to pent up demand

I don't know how households who recently lost their jobs, lost their homes so had to go into social housing, couldn't start their training places, had to quit their jobs to cover childcare, had to take temporary jobs or low paying jobs because those are the only jobs, or are on U/C - are going to feel confident buying lots of unnecessary stuff.

@BluebellsGreenbells

My point was, stop trying to make people feel bloody guilty all the time. That never works, it just makes them resentful

Do you know what makes me resentful? My brother works for the NHS, he has had to swap jobs temporally, he is responsible for collecting the Covid bodies and taking them to the morgue. He doesn’t get much time off.
He didn’t enjoy the job, but someone has to do this. So while you’re complaining about having to stay 2 meters apart, and wash your hands or wear a mask. Be great-full it’s not you.

Oh ffs really?

He moves bodies 40 hours a week with no time off with the current death rate?

Sure.

Food, water and a roof over our heads are the necessities

... and education and training. I like my kids to have those.
Electricity, sewage services, heating, cooking facilities, a decent bed. Refuse collection, safe roads, police, national defence, decent health care, decent dental care, fire fighting services on tap... I'm very dependent on wifi & Internet. Good train services are nice. Places to buy suitable clothing for things like training and work and education are super useful.

I quite like regulation of goods & services, ensuring they are safe and fair. Especially food and water. I like safe provision of those things. I like good quality low-bias information from many sources. I quite like the radio & free press.

It's funny how inter-dependent we all are on a huge range of inter-related things to make a good quality of life. We don't need just food and water & a roof.

No one forces a person to do a job, unless it's the JobCentre. That would be all those people on UC - do it or be sanctioned.

@BluebellsGreenbells

My point was, stop trying to make people feel bloody guilty all the time. That never works, it just makes them resentful

Do you know what makes me resentful? My brother works for the NHS, he has had to swap jobs temporally, he is responsible for collecting the Covid bodies and taking them to the morgue. He doesn’t get much time off.
He didn’t enjoy the job, but someone has to do this. So while you’re complaining about having to stay 2 meters apart, and wash your hands or wear a mask. Be great-full it’s not you.

Next time you feel tempted to make up a story in order to attempt to guilt-trip people, it might be a good idea to ensure that it's at least semi-plausible.

@yeOldeTrout

Food, water and a roof over our heads are the necessities

... and education and training. I like my kids to have those.
Electricity, sewage services, heating, cooking facilities, a decent bed. Refuse collection, safe roads, police, national defence, decent health care, decent dental care, fire fighting services on tap... I'm very dependent on wifi & Internet. Good train services are nice. Places to buy suitable clothing for things like training and work and education are super useful.

I quite like regulation of goods & services, ensuring they are safe and fair. Especially food and water. I like safe provision of those things. I like good quality low-bias information from many sources. I quite like the radio & free press.

It's funny how inter-dependent we all are on a huge range of inter-related things to make a good quality of life. We don't need just food and water & a roof.

Yes, that silly ol' infrastructure. Who needs it, you know? Those people stuck in places where that infrastructure isn't very good are usually desperate to get out. It sucks to live in a place like that, even if you have money.

Coronavirus is a nasty flu for mainly the elderly and the very unwell. It killed the weakest and now it's infecting the strongest. It is so simple.

No it really isn’t. Kate Garraway’s husband didn’t have any underlying health issues.

Looks like the virus is not going anywhere: SAGE scientist warns virus will be around 'FOREVER'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654045/Scotland-sees-highest-rise-Covid-infections-three-months-123-new-cases.html

[quote ParlezVousWronglais]Looks like the virus is not going anywhere: SAGE scientist warns virus will be around 'FOREVER'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654045/Scotland-sees-highest-rise-Covid-infections-three-months-123-new-cases.html[/quote]
They have said this since the very start. Given the only disease that has ever been eradicated from smallpox, it’s hardly surprising. It doesn’t mean the pandemic will go on forever.

I know someone who was pretty unwell with Covid, and has taken a long time to recover, from being very fit and healthy , early forties. Two colleagues also caught it at the same time, one was ill but less ill than person A. The third person developed Covid delirium, was sectioned, and has not recovered yet, it is looking unlikely he will ever be able to work again.
These are not elderly or frail people, these are fit people working in a very physically demanding job.
There is this idea that only the older or unwell die, and they clearly do die in much greater numbers, but I am also concerned with what happens to those who do not die, but are left with permanent lung, heart, or neurological damage.
Of course social distancing is horrible, and my own life is much changed, but 24 months of this seems a very small price to pay .

No, it doesn't just kill the elderly, who btw are a large minority of the population

The risk of death is still low for the middle-aged but - to correct what someone upthread posted - it is much higher than their annual risk of death in a traffic accident

Assessing the Age Specificity of Infection Fatality Rates for COVID-19: Systematic Review, Meta-Analysis, and Public Policy Implications

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v3.full.pdf

"about 0.3% for ages 50-59
1.3% for ages 60-69, and 4% for ages 70-79, 15% for ages 80-89, and 25% for ages 90 and above.
.....
for middle-aged adults, for whom the infection fatality rate is more than 50 times greater than the annualized risk of a fatal automobile accident"

we don't "need" many things but would we all be happy living with the bare essentials and nothing else? No.

Some people do live with only the bare essentials - do you ever give them much thought?

A music festival or holiday might be nothing to your but for some people (me included!) It will be the highlight of the year. Something they save for for a long time. Why do you have to be so dismissive. People can be upset about whatever they damn well please.

You aren't being asked to give up the things you like forever, just for a year or two. Of course you can be disappointed, but is it really necessary to go on public forums and whine when others have had it much tougher? There seems to be a serious lack of resilience on MN.

Banging on about “the weakest” is incredibly fucking disturbing not to mention super ableist.

You’re not auditioning to replace Stanley Tucci as an announcer on the Hunger Games.

I have friends who were shielding due to being considered extremely medically vulnerable. All of them work, some in high powered jobs, some have children. They are are all youngish and probably have another 40 or 50 years in front of them.

Promoting the idea that having a transplant or a chronic health condition or disability makes you “weak”, or that being “weak” means your life in dispensable, is honestly eugenicist/Nazi/serial killer level fucked up.

@BigChocFrenzy

No, it doesn't just kill the elderly, who btw are a large minority of the population

The risk of death is still low for the middle-aged but - to correct what someone upthread posted - it is much higher than their annual risk of death in a traffic accident

Assessing the Age Specificity of Infection Fatality Rates for COVID-19: Systematic Review, Meta-Analysis, and Public Policy Implications

[[https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v3.full.pdf]]

"about 0.3% for ages 50-59
1.3% for ages 60-69, and 4% for ages 70-79, 15% for ages 80-89, and 25% for ages 90 and above.
.....
for middle-aged adults, for whom the infection fatality rate is more than 50 times greater than the annualized risk of a fatal automobile accident"

This is very interesting.

A lot of arses posters snidily say I hope you don't drive if anyone suggests they may be worried about the virus.

I don't know how I would feel about driving if the fatality risk increased 50 times.

Generations before us have had to endure far worse hardships than social distancing. The self entitlement of some is incredible, get a fucking grip.

So what? This is something we are dealing with now, in our times. Its a worldwide pandemic. It’s not normal and all our daily lives have changed, and just not through social distancing.

No point saying it’s not WWII pull yourselves together, it’s just not relevant at all. Imagine someone’s house flooded would you say, so?! you weren’t in NYC when 911 happened, grow up. Can’t stand ‘whataboutery’

@ParlezVousWronglais

Coronavirus is a nasty flu for mainly the elderly and the very unwell. It killed the weakest and now it's infecting the strongest. It is so simple.

No it really isn’t. Kate Garraway’s husband didn’t have any underlying health issues.

Come off it. The vast vast majority have been elderly and/or unwell. Nearly half of deaths occurred in care homes, not many healthy 30 year olds living there. Young healthy people die tragically from all sorts of things. Covid is not special.

Covid is not special

Vivid is a particular problem in medical terms. It spreads very easily, kills a significant number and most concerningly causes organ damage (lungs, heart, brain etc) to a % far higher than other illnesses widely circulating in the UK. The impact of these effects on working age people are life-altering.

Covid, sadly, is special.

Surely the Spanish flu died out mainly because it ran out of victims and/or done herd immunity developed eventually, neither of which apply here.

@kittensarecute totally agree with you. If they impose another lockdown, I'm just not doing it.

Do you know what makes me resentful? My brother works for the NHS, he has had to swap jobs temporally, he is responsible for collecting the Covid bodies and taking them to the morgue. He doesn’t get much time off.
He doesnt get much time off? Which hospital does he work in then? Because at last count, there were about 800 covid patients in hospital, out of 1200 hospitals. So a big proportion of hospitals have zero covid patients, let alone enough covid fatalities to keep someone busy for over 40 hours a week.

Covid is novel, not special.

Almost any virus unleashed on an entirely susceptible population would be likely to result in similar (if not worse) outcomes. A novel virus akin to measles (which still kills around 10% of children who catch it in developing countries) would make Covid look like a walk in the park.

[quote yawnsvillex]@kittensarecute totally agree with you. If they impose another lockdown, I'm just not doing it. [/quote]
So where will you go? Everywhere will be shut again.

There seems to be a serious lack of resilience on MN.

Along with a serious lack of empathy.

There seems to be a serious lack of resilience on MN.

Along with a serious lack of empathy.

I know which is going to be of the most use in a crisis! Hard to feel empathy with people whining about not being able to go to a festival, or abroad for a year or two.