Would you be willing to be put under house arrest in order to save lives?

[Treesofwood]

Just that really. Would you be willing to go to prison to save lives? Would you be willing to give up your children's right to an education to save lives? This whole situation brings up many philosophical questions for me, and my theoretical response is not actually the sane as my response when faced with the reality.

It hasn't always been that way, though. It really hasn't. Most people accept that other people matter and don't think they are more important than anyone else.

Virtually everyone puts themselves, their families, their close friends ahead of strangers. That's how it's always been and always will be. I'm willing to bet a great dea of money that you do too.

Of course people put themselves and their families first.

If I had to choose between my dd getting life saving surgery or some person I didn’t know having the same surgery, of course I’d pick dd. Everyone would pick their own.

In a burning building who would you save? You’d save your,own, of course you would.

Of course we put ourselves first.

How many go to the supermarket and fill up the trollies and delivery it to another family? Nope, they ensure they are fed first.

How many spend hours in the kitchen cooking all that food for others. outside your own home on a regular basis?

Many people do voluntary work because it makes them feel good. Some even try and change things because it's better for them, sod the people who they are supposed to help. Or because they get thanked or whatever for their work.

Same with charity donation. It makes them feel good in some way. How many really bother to look into where money is actually needed, or even where the money goes to? How many bother to engage with the charity they are supporting? And if you do, good for you, and no I don't really want to hear.

Clap for nhs, what did you do before clapping for the nhs other than pay tax? Now you want to applaud them for doing their job in the buildings designed for this. Don't remember those in third world countries thanking staff who are currently over there, Come to think of it, don't remember any other country applauding their health workers working through. It made you feel good at the time paying lip service.

Weird thing about martyrs they always do shit they think everyone else wants, because it makes them happy. THey get pleasure out of doing these things in some weird way even when it's obvious those they are doing it for, don't want it.

Weird thing about martyrs they always do shit they think everyone else wants, because it makes them happy. THey get pleasure out of doing these things in some weird way even when it's obvious those they are doing it for, don't want it.

It's a very strange person who thinks altruism is martyrdom. Very odd mindset.

Well this thread certainly kept going whilst I've been painting my doors hasn't it.

BTW they look great!!

Can't believe @Hearhoovesthinkzebras has kept going with her view that she is shielding to protect us, but we were not shielding to protect her, and that despite the fact that society in lockdown doesn't help her at all she still wants us to continue to lockdown to err.. help her from taking up a bed.

@whereorwhere

Can't believe *@Hearhoovesthinkzebras* has kept going with her view that she is shielding to protect us, but we were not shielding to protect her, and that despite the fact that society in lockdown doesn't help her at all she still wants us to continue to lockdown to err.. help her from taking up a bed.

There is no sacrifice you could make that would be enough. You could offer your firstborn and it still wouldn't be enough of a sacrifice.

I was in tesco the other day in an aisle with my mask on. There was another woman with hers on too. Then a young girl walked up the aisle without a mask on (obviously no way of knowing her reasons why) and started looking at something on a shelf near me. The other masked woman started tutting loudly and then tried to make eye contact with me to get me to join in with the tutting. That's how I imagine some people on here. The tutters.

You could offer your firstborn and it still wouldn't be enough of a sacrifice.

That's how I imagine some people on here. The tutters.

I see some on here as like the young people in local pubs laughing at others for wearing masks. The uncivilised yobs.

There's nobody on here laughing at people in masks. We have all said we will wear them. There are people being berated for wanting to live their life the best they can though.

@HesterShaw1

It has really come to something when the people who told us thousands would die as a result of people having picnics, sitting on benches in parks, exercising more than once a day and for longer than an hour, buying more things than were strictly necessary, hugging mum, flocking in the streets on VE day, on the beaches on Bank Holiday, in the streets during the BLM demos, who went on holiday, who visited friends, who went to pubs when they reopened....have realised that these thousands of deaths have not materialised, so therefore we have to curtail our freedoms indefinitely because some people might have post viral effects.

No. No more.

BRAVO! Just made a foray into the big city so my son could receive some medical treatment. NOT AGAIN above the bare minimum until this ridiculousness is over. Completely fucked with my son's OCD. We're back home now and I've had to put external locks on bathroom doors and kitchen because this has sent him into a ritualising frenzy. His doctor increased his medication.

Just no. No more.

There are people being berated on either end of this, not even the extremes.

Everyone wants to attack, ridicule and belittle. But yes, each does have the right to choose their risk appetite and reasoning in answering the specific question asked, which wasn't "do you want another lockdown?" Because nobody reasonable would.

Like everything in life these days, it's all so bloody binary isn't it? You're either for us or against us, you either want grannies dying in the street or you want lockdown indefinitely. Nuance and subtlety is dead, it seems.

However I'll try. Most people will put up with mask wearing in shops, for the greater good. Most people will adhere to a sensible level of social distancing and adjustments, for the greater good. Most people are more than willing to be more scrupulous about hygiene for the greater good.

However what an increasing number of people are not prepared to do is stick to arbitrary, restrictive rules which drastically and negatively affect their and their families' wellbeing indefinitely. They are certainly not prepared to live like we were in March and April, indefinitely when they can see that deaths and hospitalizations from Covid are so low now. And when they can see that all those things they were told would cause second waves, spikes, thousands of deaths etc have manifestly not happened

They're especially not prepared to be nagged, hectored, shamed and berated as being "selfish", simply because they want to regain some semblance of normality for themselves and their families, by someone on MN who they have never even met (and quite frankly, if you want people to care about you, you need to be a little, well, nicer. You know, try displaying some of that empathy you speak of.)

No. Enough.

If people want to assess risk and act accordingly that seems fine to me. What isn't fine is their if their decisions put others at risk. That's not fine.

Social distancing and masks are the bare minimum to keep others safe. Along with proper hygiene.

What isn't fine is saying I'm not doing it any more, so you'll have to stay in.

@FlySheMust

If people want to assess risk and act accordingly that seems fine to me. What isn't fine is their if their decisions put others at risk. That's not fine.

Social distancing and masks are the bare minimum to keep others safe. Along with proper hygiene.

What isn't fine is saying I'm not doing it any more, so you'll have to stay in.

Some of us have legitimate exceptions to wearing masks.

The covid frothers have eased up the rants about second wave swamping hospitals and morgues filling up as they can only cry wolf so many times before even they realise it looks ridiculous.

Now as demonstrated by Hooves and Inkpaper, they’ve started arguing that it’s not deaths that we should be worried about oh no- it’s side effects and Long Covid. This apparently is what we should now all be terrified of. No stats or anything concrete. Just anecdata and tales of gloom

Some of us have legitimate exceptions to wearing masks.

Then one would hope you are extra careful about social distancing. And, sadly, there are those who pretend to be exempt but aren't.

@FlySheMust

Some of us have legitimate exceptions to wearing masks.

Then one would hope you are extra careful about social distancing. And, sadly, there are those who pretend to be exempt but aren't.

That's irrelevant, those who are exempt should not be forced to wear them because others pretend. It's the same with state benefits, they need to still be available even though some people take the piss.

That's irrelevant, those who are exempt should not be forced to wear them because others pretend.

I didn't say they should. No need to put words in my mouth.

I would happily stay in and keep kids in masks SD etc to let others be allowed to return to actual normality. This isn't everyone's problem.

Although there are significant real world consequences for all as a result of the government locking down everyone, which should have been avoidable.

So yes I would stay in, I would put my kids is a special provision, because we need everyone else to be living normally to have anything left worth surviving for.

@FlySheMust

Some of us have legitimate exceptions to wearing masks.

Then one would hope you are extra careful about social distancing. And, sadly, there are those who pretend to be exempt but aren't.

I seem to attract people wearing masks invading my space. I'm seriously considering creating a sign for me and others to wear, some ideas so far have included :

If you can read this, move.
Oi, bellend, why you in my space?
Ever heard of Social distancing?
Step closer and let me breathe on you.

I haven't been following the rules, staying home, etc to protect people who are shielding.

I have been staying at home because the pressure on the NHS was so huge, they wouldn't have been able to cope with any more cases.

And in order to regulate the pressures on the NHS yes I would do it again. But if the NHS is coping I firmly believe we need to get on with live as best we can.

To me they are two separate things.

@FlySheMust

Some of us have legitimate exceptions to wearing masks.

Then one would hope you are extra careful about social distancing. And, sadly, there are those who pretend to be exempt but aren't.

Of course I’m scrupulous about social distancing.

And I’m not pretending FYI.