Would you be willing to be put under house arrest in order to save lives?

[Treesofwood]

Just that really. Would you be willing to go to prison to save lives? Would you be willing to give up your children's right to an education to save lives? This whole situation brings up many philosophical questions for me, and my theoretical response is not actually the sane as my response when faced with the reality.

But dentists have full PPE, of course they don't need to SD

But, but, but why do you want to discard infection control

Beauticians don’t need to SD 🤦🏻‍♀️ Well how can they when they do facial treatments.

That was to Hooves

@TheKeatingFive

I've stayed at home so that I didn't get ill and take hospital care away from someone else. I've complied with every single restrictikn and requirement placed on me

So what everyone else did, but without making the educational, financial, social, mental health consequences they did. Without suffering abuse.

Big whoop. Your own sacrifices have been minimal compared to what you’re expecting of others.

Have they? How do you know what sacrifices I e made in comparison to everyone else? I've not seen my elderly parents, didn't see my children for months, missed my daughter's 21st birthday, not had celebrated a graduation ceremony with her, seen no friends or family, had our income slashed, seen my health condition deteriorate due to no treatment - but no, I've not suffered at all because of this.

And also everyone else didn't follow lockdown.

@Deux

Beauticians don’t need to SD 🤦🏻‍♀️ Well how can they when they do facial treatments.

Its discarding infection control apparently. 🤷‍♀️

Maybe hooves can clarify

@Deux

Beauticians don’t need to SD 🤦🏻‍♀️ Well how can they when they do facial treatments.

Obviously. So therefore dentists don't need to social distance do they, for the same reason.

Maybe you could explain it to Pertella because she seems to think that dentists need to SD from their patients

The thread title says 'house arrest' and first post says 'prison'. I am not brave enough to go to a prison, at least i don't think so but if I was confined to my own home it wouldn't bother me. I've been doing it for months anyway :-).

It has really come to something when the people who told us thousands would die as a result of people having picnics, sitting on benches in parks, exercising more than once a day and for longer than an hour, buying more things than were strictly necessary, hugging mum, flocking in the streets on VE day, on the beaches on Bank Holiday, in the streets during the BLM demos, who went on holiday, who visited friends, who went to pubs when they reopened....have realised that these thousands of deaths have not materialised, so therefore we have to curtail our freedoms indefinitely because some people might have post viral effects.

No. No more.

Pertella

What are you talking about?

You said dentists can't see patients due to social distancing. I said don't be ridiculous - SD doesn't apply to dentists, they wear PPE. They don't need to SD just like beauticians and drs.

You are the one arguing that dentists have to SD from their patients.

[quote Noneformethanks]Shielding was never forced anyway. It was advisory.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19[/quote]
Ikr, but people took it as complete lock up. Whole families stayed in for months for no reason. I vaguely remember at one point mentioning I'd gone out as a shielder, and omg anyone has thought I had committed mass murder and I was incredibly selfish, talks about police involvement the works 🤣

@hester, don’t forget those of us who went out with the sole purpose of buying Easter eggs 😉

just a reminder of how the SD convo started

Phil said You're right lots of businesses can't open with SD. I don't think that means they shouldn't open. It is peoples livelihoods

Hooves said This poster wants businesses to open without social distancing. - that's discarding infection control measures

Hooves later seems to get that SD isnt possible for a lot of businesses, (dentistry for example), but doesn't see why they need to retract their made up statement about phil wanting to discard infection control.

How do you know what sacrifices I e made in comparison to everyone else?

You didn’t see your friends and family, same as everyone. Like I say, big whoop.

You are not, to my knowledge ...

In danger of losing your home because of losing your job.

Facing a lifetime of repaying government debt while your own job prospects have plummeted.

Suffering intense abuse in a situation you can’t get out of.

Losing education provision in those vital early years or facing exams next year.

All the things that people did for you, that still aren’t good enough and that you’ve done virtually nothing to recompense.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

Pertella

What are you talking about?

You said dentists can't see patients due to social distancing. I said don't be ridiculous - SD doesn't apply to dentists, they wear PPE. They don't need to SD just like beauticians and drs.

You are the one arguing that dentists have to SD from their patients.

In a shocking turn of events, hooves is once again lying about what was actually said.

"I've not seen my elderly parents, didn't see my children for months, missed my daughter's 21st birthday, not had celebrated a graduation ceremony with her, seen no friends or family, had our income slashed, seen my health condition deteriorate due to no treatment - but no, I've not suffered at all because of this.".

Join the club. I was called as vulnerable when I was pregnant and didn't see a soul. I didnt see my parents for months, like most of us. Nobody got to meet my baby daughter for a long time. I still have grandparents who are in their 80s. I doubt I will get to sit in my 82 year old nanna's, who has dialysis, kitchen and have a cup of tea again tbh. We all missed special birthdays and occasions with family. Loads of people have lost their job entirely, nevermind had their income slashed. You advocate further less of jobs because you don't agree with pubs and restaurants opening. Mental health is rock bottom. The vast majority followed lockdown and since deaths are extremely low we did a pretty good job! Everyone is saying they are happy to continue with masks, social distance where we can etc. What more do you want from us?

@Pertella

just a reminder of how the SD convo started

Phil said You're right lots of businesses can't open with SD. I don't think that means they shouldn't open. It is peoples livelihoods

Hooves said This poster wants businesses to open without social distancing. - that's discarding infection control measures

Hooves later seems to get that SD isnt possible for a lot of businesses, (dentistry for example), but doesn't see why they need to retract their made up statement about phil wanting to discard infection control.

Nope, I said it as a response to another poster, not Phil.

You said that if SD is removed then dentists can start routine check ups - SD doesn't apply to dentists seeing patients. SD or no SD has no impact on dentists seeing patients. You were wrong and now you're trying to make things up and again conflate comments about different issues to hide the fact that you were wrong.

Although, just remembered, cannot get my kidney seen to for example, but I can see my fucking dentist!

You asked what the consequences would be if businesses didnt maintain SD. I said it means that dentists are able to carry out routine checks.

And its true. Because they don't have to SD they can work.

As can many other businesses 👍

@Pertella

just a reminder of how the SD convo started

Phil said You're right lots of businesses can't open with SD. I don't think that means they shouldn't open. It is peoples livelihoods

Hooves said This poster wants businesses to open without social distancing. - that's discarding infection control measures

Hooves later seems to get that SD isnt possible for a lot of businesses, (dentistry for example), but doesn't see why they need to retract their made up statement about phil wanting to discard infection control.

It was me that said the original comment about businesses. Hooves just likes to jump on everything I say like on every other thread.

Sorry, hooves said this about phil:

You're all applauding Phil's response which is basically let people do what they want including discarding any infection control measures

The other response saying similar was to Jrob

You said that if SD is removed then dentists can start routine check ups

Quote please

Nope.

I've given up several months of my life, and my kids lives. We have been affected mentally massively by it all and need to get back to normal.

I will happily wear a mask, wash my hands 594 times a day, social distancing in public places etc. But refuse to be unnecessarily isolated from my friends and family any more.

Unfortunately some people are more vulnerable than others but the onus really is on them to look after themselves and be as careful and cautious as possible. The world can't keep shutting down.

@HesterShaw1

It has really come to something when the people who told us thousands would die as a result of people having picnics, sitting on benches in parks, exercising more than once a day and for longer than an hour, buying more things than were strictly necessary, hugging mum, flocking in the streets on VE day, on the beaches on Bank Holiday, in the streets during the BLM demos, who went on holiday, who visited friends, who went to pubs when they reopened....have realised that these thousands of deaths have not materialised, so therefore we have to curtail our freedoms indefinitely because some people might have post viral effects.

No. No more.

Exactly. I don't get what people want to be honest.

hooves said

So that means you think businesses should open without SD? What do you think the consequences of that will be?

I said

*People might be able to go to the dentist for their routine checks at last.

I wonder does hooves think dentists aren’t businesses?