Would you be willing to be put under house arrest in order to save lives?

[Treesofwood]

Just that really. Would you be willing to go to prison to save lives? Would you be willing to give up your children's right to an education to save lives? This whole situation brings up many philosophical questions for me, and my theoretical response is not actually the sane as my response when faced with the reality.

[quote Deux]@hester, don’t forget those of us who went out with the sole purpose of buying Easter eggs 😉[/quote]
Oh yes so you did. How COULD you have done that?

@hester, I know, right. The struggle was real 😀

I did something worse. I sent my teen to the shop to buy Easter Eggs 🤣

I'm not sure I can find anything funny about the situation.

@FlySheMust

I'm not sure I can find anything funny about the situation.

Thats OK, its not obligatory

Well, laughter is the best medicine as they say.

If we don't laugh we will cry!

In answer to the original question - I am in the shielding category. I actually think it's horrifically self centred and selfish to think that a huge amount of the population including children should have their lives so badly disrupted and long term futures affected to protect me because I'm so vulnerable

The thought of my own DC, let alone others, fucking up their education and future prospects of employment on my behalf gives me serious guilt and anger. I don't think I'll make old bones anyway but if I did I would feel even worse about it.

People keep repeating on this thread we need a sense of proportion and common fucking sense measures in place - hygiene measures, mask wearing, social distancing etc where appropriate.

The self centred attitude of people insisting on further measures affecting the vast majority, just for their own sake, is ironically demonstrated nicely on this thread. It's actually so embarrassingly cringy to read I want to fold myself in half.

I want as many people as possible to live the happiest and safest lives as they can and that's all there is to it. I can do my bit in facilitating this by not making it all about me and having some personal responsibility to play the cards I have been dealt, even if my hand is a bit shitter than most other people.

I don't want to sound like a martyr just someone with a relatively normal sense of my own importance and realisation I am not the only person in the world. I don't want people to think everyone in the shielding category is a self centred self serving fuckwit.

I've not seen my elderly parents, didn't see my children for months, missed my daughter's 21st birthday, not had celebrated a graduation ceremony with her, seen no friends or family, had our income slashed, seen my health condition deteriorate due to no treatment - but no, I've not suffered at all because of this

Believe it or not you're not the only one to have done all of that, some of us have been through that and more. We refuse to do that again, we have suffered enough.

@Jrobhatch29

If we don't laugh we will cry!

Aint that the truth.

I've not seen my elderly parents, didn't see my children for months, missed my daughter's 21st birthday, not had celebrated a graduation ceremony with her, seen no friends or family, had our income slashed, seen my health condition deteriorate due to no treatment

And so I want everyone to have to do the same.

Embarrassing and even more embarrassing to have no self awareness how that makes you sound. Who would want to be that person?

Believe it or not you're not the only one to have done all of that, some of us have been through that and more. We refuse to do that again, we have suffered enough.

I'm not sure you will be able to refuse if there's another one.

@FuckBubbleOrBubbleFuck

In answer to the original question - I am in the shielding category. I actually think it's horrifically self centred and selfish to think that a huge amount of the population including children should have their lives so badly disrupted and long term futures affected to protect me because I'm so vulnerable

The thought of my own DC, let alone others, fucking up their education and future prospects of employment on my behalf gives me serious guilt and anger. I don't think I'll make old bones anyway but if I did I would feel even worse about it.

People keep repeating on this thread we need a sense of proportion and common fucking sense measures in place - hygiene measures, mask wearing, social distancing etc where appropriate.

The self centred attitude of people insisting on further measures affecting the vast majority, just for their own sake, is ironically demonstrated nicely on this thread. It's actually so embarrassingly cringy to read I want to fold myself in half.

I want as many people as possible to live the happiest and safest lives as they can and that's all there is to it. I can do my bit in facilitating this by not making it all about me and having some personal responsibility to play the cards I have been dealt, even if my hand is a bit shitter than most other people.

That is really refreshing to read on MN

I think most would refuse.

What are they going to do? The prisons aren't big enough for everyone. I don't think the government would be so stupid to try it again tbh.

All they need to do is lockdown the vulnerable.

As a shielder I didn't want lock down. Have a dig through my posts around Feb/March.

I wanted people to have a quality of live. Locked up doesn't give this to anyone. I was more than aware of how shit it is to not being able to have a "normal" live because at times I'm restricted to my bed. I'm not deemed as shielding for the fun of it.

I could stay at home without being told to. I did this prior to Covid at times to protect myself. Shutting up everything didn't help me at all. It hindered myself and millions of others who had to stay at home because of health whether it was shielding or having the virus.

All this extra hand washing everyone started doing, and wiping things down, we were already doing this as standard to protect me. When anyone had a temperature, controls in place including gloves and if needed someone would if they could. wear a mask.

I was mocked back then when I mentioned the realities of control in our homes to contain this. Yet weeks later, there they were doing as adviced. ALthough of course some took it to the extreme and disinfectant/bleached fruit and veg.

The government could start mentioning temp as well as masks etc in their announcements and guidelines. They could start a public health program highlighting the importance of isolation when you have a temperature. When it's safe to go back out etc.

No

The 'vulnerable' are not small section of society, they include anyone over 50 for starters. And that does not mean that under 50s with no preexisting health conditions are guaranteed a good recovery.

But let's set all that aside and imagine that we had a population in which no one was in the official 'vulnerable' groups. It wouldn't change much. The nature of the exponential growth of a new virus is such that even without that section of society, so much illness, including severe and life threatening, would occur at once that businesses and services could not function.

This obsession with the 'vulnerable' is a bit of a red herring.

When it comes to people only now prioritising their own family, I get it and they can do that. But if too many others do the same, the consequences are coming for all of us.

What would I like to happen?

I would like the country to go back to normal, no restrictions on seeing friends and family, all businesses open, travel resumed, all medical appointments resumed, education back to normal.

Social distancing in public areas kept where possible, masks in indoor public areas kept where possible, but only until next spring.

The world can’t stop because of this virus, it’s not going to go away even with a vaccine and people need to live normal lives.

If anyone thinks that they are unfortunately to vulnerable to take part in society now then they will have to stay in, just like other vulnerable people had to before. It’s unfortunate but there is no other sensible options unless everyone’s lives a wrecked which is not acceptable.

@Racoonworld

And that is exactly what every vulnerable person I know wants.

Other than one or 2 on MN nobody wants everyone to lockdown.

@chickenyhead I’m vulnerable but not in the extremely vulnerable group. I would take precautions, not go to any indoor mass events but would generally resume my life as normal.

[quote RaspberryRuff]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras is there any thread on MN you don’t pop up on and make it all about you?[/quote]
That made me giggle 🤭

@Racoonworld

That's exactly what we have been doing.

It isnt about expecting others to lock themselves away. That helps nobody. Its about everything returning to actual normality, not this half living, and there being provisions in place by the government for the vulnerable, IF it goes up again.

That is literally all I want. Nothing else.

It drives me insane that cancer patients are not being treated. That people have not been able to see loved ones dying. Been on the end of both. Thats how the government chose to force people to suffer. No vulnerable person wanted that. Ever.

When I was at my most unstable mentally I referred to lock down as a prison sentence, and my only crime was to be born in a broken body or words similar to that effect.

Had I committed an actual crime I might have gotten bail first time offence and all that. The legal sentencing in this country is a joke to begin with. To put people under house arrest for doing nothing shouldn't be encouraged.

Im also in agreement with contesse.

Those saying kids can be taught from home - mine didn't, school was awful at providing stuff, that with working from home and a toddler, I can say for a fact their education suffered.