Safe to reopen schools

[askmehowiknow]

Article from oxford professor summarising new data that it's safe for children to be in school. Great pre September reading!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/18/children-covid-19-english-schools-virus-safe-reopening

[quote mrshoho]@askmehowiknow I did read the article and found it reassuring smile

So you are reassured that approx 1 in 300 school children are carrying the virus asymptomatically and soon to be mixing inside with no SD?[/quote]
I guess the fact there's no evidence that they will transmit it is reassuring

@mrshoho

I just knew someone was going to post this article proclaiming it to show how there is nothing to worry about with regard to schools restarting. It tells us nothing new and is misleading as shown by the OP's gullibility.

I had a bunch it would be @askmehowiknow

Hunch

I bolded it because it was a quote, as per etiquette.

Schools can't win. Damned if we enforce attendance as required by Ofsted and government (thereby picking up some quite extreme safeguarding issues sometimes). Damned if we tell people to keep kids off, as per government instructions and PHE (who they?) instruction.

Oh I see you just like to bold things out as clearly people are too stupid to read your posts properly.

People are allowed to be reassured if they want to be. You don't get to dictate what they can and can't feel.

I guess the fact there's no evidence that they will transmit it is reassuring

Bloody Hell OP, where does it even say that in that article??

Schools can't win. Damned if we enforce attendance as required by Ofsted and government (thereby picking up some quite extreme safeguarding issues sometimes). Damned if we tell people to keep kids off, as per government instructions and PHE (who they?) instruction.

Some common sense with attendance wouldn't go amiss.

@askmehowiknow - what do you mean there is no evidence they transmit? Are you referring to that invisible magic wall that stops the virus from moving around the school?

No, I bolded it because I was quoting you!!

It ahs been a thing on MN since MN began.

@Piggywaspushed

I bolded it because it was a quote, as per etiquette.

Schools can't win. Damned if we enforce attendance as required by Ofsted and government (thereby picking up some quite extreme safeguarding issues sometimes). Damned if we tell people to keep kids off, as per government instructions and PHE (who they?) instruction.

It’s so difficult x obviously arbitrary and pointless attendance targets need to go but there’s a risk that safeguarding issues will increase if parents keep them off claiming “self isolation”.

Hang on! Is this another T4U sponsored thread?

[yawn]

You are obviously annoyed about attendance but I can assure you, having worked in it, there is lots of common sense, hamstrung by targets and Ofsted/gov inspections. Common sense , however, cannot be applied to communicable disease.

there is no doubt, however, that every day of missed school has an impact. And that lots of bits and bobs of issued school after September (if others are still largely in attendance) will have huge impact.

missed school , not issued!

So 1 in 300 teenagers have Covid asymptomatically.
My school is 1800 students. So there will likely be 2-3 asymptomatic students spreading it in their bubbles.of 200-300, plus buses.
Great news! Really reassuring....

(if others are still largely in attendance)

Especially if others are largely in attendance. In that scenario, there isn't a need for whole class catch up or review. It's individuals missing out and that takes a lot longer to address.

It ahs been a thing on MN since MN began.

Yes, but the entire quote, not the single word decide . No need at all.

You are obviously annoyed about attendance but I can assure you, having worked in it, there is lots of common sense, hamstrung by targets and Ofsted/gov inspections. Common sense , however, cannot be applied to communicable disease.

I've worked in it too, hence why I think there's naff all common sense.

I am not going to keep arguing with you over one word in bold. The word decided is what I took form you, not a whole sentence.

This really is petty.

I have deliberately not put decide in bold anywhere in this post for fear of causing upset by quoting you, myself, or anyone else. As an English teacher, that really hurts..

All the things that parents keep children home for (or choose not to), are covid symptoms. This is the problem. All the things that teachers usually ignore and come to work with, are covid symptoms. Where is all this supply coming from? We've got no 'spare' cover this year due to staff on maternity leave, so in normal circs we'd be coming in whatever. Now we can't.

I did read the article and found it reassuring

Critical thinking not your thing, then.

Bit embarrassing to persist in the face of the contradictory evidence presented on this thread. But Hey Ho.

Piggy it’s just a way of diverting attention from themselves.

They previously tried dropping in A-level results into threads to damage confidence in teachers but obviously now that isn’t possible due to it being completely clear that was a government fuck-up and they want parents to trust the government when they say schools are safe.

Onto attendance policies (again a government thing but they’re going to ignore that) it seems.

This is exactly what’s going to happen. Parents who don’t give a shit about a poorly child being in school and just dose them up and pack them off. I know it’s a nightmare with work and childcare. I get all that I have a job and kids of my own but it’s not right. It’s going to require a change in all of us and our workplaces too to stay home and not “soldier on” when we aren’t well.

@RaspberryRuff (I think this was you) I agree. If I end up unwell I'll be staying off until I'm recovered, whereas normally I'd just keep going (as expected). I wonder how many will simply be signed off with the very real stress of having to work in unsafe conditions, in the knowledge that very few people give a shit about their health.

@inpontypandyallday
I understand your frustration with attendance. A lot of those who work in schools feel it too. However, we've also been in the situation where cases of physical abuse and neglect in our children have only come to light because attendance officers haven't accepted parents at their word and have gone to the house and found the children. That's only one way that attendance measures help to safeguard those truly vulnerable members of our school community.

It's a frustration that exists for many but it's essential to safeguard the few.

And it is yet another reason why we should be as many mitigation measures in place as we can to ensure that bubble closures and local lockdowns are required as infrequently as possible.

askmehowiknow

Keep banging that drum, you already have what you want.

Lets see how it works out.

the very real stress of having to work in unsafe conditions

And the stress of uncertainty. The hyper vigilance to the news and the constant alertness to having to close with no notice due to inadequate safety measures.
Or not closing despite cases in school and monitoring every slight tickle at the back of your throat in case it develops. To phone in sick and get tested or to ignore and come in? Decisions, decisions.