Why isn’t there more deaths atm?

[Mummypig2020]

Just that really. Obviously cases are going up and have been for a few weeks. Surely there would be at least an increase of people in hospitals by now at least? Or in a week or so are we going to suddenly have hundreds of deaths again?

I think they are going to need to implement masks in secondary schools.

Hospital admissions and deaths will increase as we go into Winter not due to covid but with the same reasons they rise at that time every year. We need to make sure that any reporting on increased admissions and potential lockdowns or closures of certain places are only because figures of respiratory disease are over and above what we would of had anyway.

@RaspberryRuff - I think they ought to. Masks in school and frankly, when visiting our families, actually makes more sense to me than in shops, where no one hangs around for that long.

" It’s not the automatic killer virus they’ve made out previously. "

It was never made out to be an automatic killer virus though was it? It was always clear that it was mainly the old and the vulnerable that got the most serious cases, though there were also young and young-ish people being hospitalised or having long-lasting symptoms.

I think the truth will out eventually as more and more people start to s
question the received narrative. The stats don’t lie, it’s been clear for some time now that the disease is a far greater threat to older people than younger people. Some people however perceive the risks differently based on the wall to wall coverage which has tended to focus on the extremes.

I got called all sorts by a poster on a thread recently when I dared to agree with another poster that perhaps the risks of Covid may have been overstated. I’m actually classed as clinically vulnerable due to a weakened immune system but I decided around May/June that I’d rather carry on with some semblance of a normal life and take sensible precautions such as weearing a mask, keeping clean and avoiding crowded places than to shield. My GP encouraged it for my mental health. I was told on here I wasn’t capable of assessing the risks to myself and that I was adopting a fuck it attitude and putting others at risk! Only on mumsnet.

Maybe I don’t know anyone who has died but I’ve known plenty of people who’ve had it and recovered fully, some just as or more vulnerable than. Maybe I’ve been fortunate but it gave me some much needed perspective. I know I may not be that lucky if I get it but my rational is sI’ve survived worse (Hodgkin lymphoma).

I do honestly think when we look back in this period we will draw different conclusions but I suppose it’s all lessons learned.

@Gwenhwyfar

" It’s not the automatic killer virus they’ve made out previously. "

It was never made out to be an automatic killer virus though was it? It was always clear that it was mainly the old and the vulnerable that got the most serious cases, though there were also young and young-ish people being hospitalised or having long-lasting symptoms.

You're right, Gwenhwyfar. Chris Whitty repeatedly said that for most people Covid would be a mild infection, with some outliers. Like many illnesses. But on social media, including some of the mainstream media in general, and Mumsnet in particular, that message was clearly falling on deaf ears. All sorts of insults were hurled at posters who suggested that a little moderation in our response was in order.

One of the things that is happening to the stats is that, as testing numbers increase and infection numbers fall, the effect of false positives is becoming more pronounced.

They have always said they grade it -

No symptoms
Mild
Moderate
Severe
Critical.

The media/government have fuelled this with its scaremongering.
This, and many people have absolutely lapped it up.
"People are DYING!!!!"
"People are DYING!!!!"
"People are DYING!!!!"
So the haloed Saint Boris provided lockdown on a golden platter, which is going on for much longer than he said, along with a myriad of lies and mixed messages to keep the mob frothing happily, so that we're too distracted to notice that people are DYING from lockdown, and the mental health of those who remain will inevitably suffer, but hey, none of that matters, 'cos Covid.

@Gwenhwyfar at one point We were basically being told if we stepped outside we would definitely get and be gravely Ill or definitely kill a granny. I work In patient facing nhs (community) and when the healthcare workers were dying I was starting to get a bit scared that I would definitely get it and die despite being young and healthy, then it came out it was proportionately BAME that we’re dying from it but yet the media love to hype it up and terrify everyone, it’s going to be some job convincing people otherwise

Honestly wish I was back in the 90s without 24hr news/social media

People DIE all the time. It's killing and hospitalising fewer people because its really not serious for most people, and now life is a bit more normal it is younger healthier people (the ones who are not as cautious or shielding) who are being infected. And that's no bad thing if they're then developing a resistance. They're doing the vulnerable a favour before winter sets in.

Also many of the people it was going to make seriously illor hospitalised have unfortunately already had it.

Who knew CV isn't a serious illness.

Feeling reassured

@thecatsatonthewall

Who knew CV isn't a serious illness.

Feeling reassured

I’m glad the discussion is reducing your hysteria

@thecatsatonthewall

Who knew CV isn't a serious illness.

Feeling reassured

Nice bit of selective quoting there 🙄🙄. Perhaps you could have included the whole sentence?

Who knew CV isn't a serious illness

Well on the 19th March our government literally said it was NOT a "high consequence infectious disease". It can be serious for elderly and those with some pre-existing conditions, but for the vast majority it isn't.

@BeijingBikini so why then? Just why all the hysteria?

Isn't it just because we are testing more? We went from a situation where hardly anybody was being tested to one where anybody can drive up to a testing station and get a test. Or am I just being thick, because that seems the only obvious explanation? That or the virus has mutated and become much weaker?

Only reason I can think of is that a lot of rich people get richer off the back of it, while everyone else goes into recession. Amazon, Facebook, Google & pharma companies have absolutely raked it in. Or that our government are useless, completely over-reacted, and now don't want to look foolish and admit they misjudged the situation. Our economy is in tatters and now most people's life expectancy will shorten because lack of decent healthcare, unemployment, poverty......but hey it's not covid so it doesn't count!

And our media love scaring people, because doom and gloom sells newspapers. I heard some total bollocks on the radio about people going to pubs then moaning they weren't "safe" - nothing in life is safe. I know someone who died when a rake in their shed fell on their head. If you feel the pub's not safe, stay at home then, and try not to fall down the stairs.

There's not even any evidence that the case rate has increased? Many sources saying it is increased testing / targeted testing in outbreak areas now picking up asymptomatic cases. No reason to think that there would be a corresponding increase in hospital admissions or deaths.

Oh and the 'high consequence infectious disease' thing is totally misquoted - this is simply a label for foreign diseases that must be quarantined on entry to the country at all costs (eg ebola), covid isn't one because at the moment its endemic, following the initial epidemic. As soon as it started to spread I'm the community by definition it wasn't a high consequence infectious disease by the definition.

It’s because it’s the younger ones that are catching it. If you’re not old, in good health, not over weight and have no underlying health conditions then you’ll not anything other than a bed and a packet of pain killers!

But there's a lot of sheep in this country that believe the media/government scare mongering

Well it’s not just the media we’re believing is it? Baa baa. There’s scientists and all sorts of experts and governments all over the world trying to deal with this pandemic.

After all it is a pandemic.

Or are they all leading us on and making this up?

Baaa

@pontypridd

But there's a lot of sheep in this country that believe the media/government scare mongering

Well it’s not just the media we’re believing is it? Baa baa. There’s scientists and all sorts of experts and governments all over the world trying to deal with this pandemic.

After all it is a pandemic.

Or are they all leading us on and making this up?

Baaa

😂🤣🐑

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

It’s frankly ridiculous to close the country for a virus that isn’t killing anyone. An utter joke which will end up killing thousands due to poverty, job losses and delayed cancer diagnosis.

Yes, it would be ridiculous, but unless it’s no longer April, and the country is no longer “closed“, and hasn’t been for a while. Yes, things aren’t exactly back to normal, but it’s ridiculous to say that country is still closed!

@BeijingBikini don't forget that our government didn't actually want to do the whole lockdown, but pressure from Labour, the public and the rest of Europe took its toll and our government back tracked on their original plan.