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US Doctor On Opening Schools

304 replies

mac12 · 16/08/2020 13:37

Dr James Hildreth, CEO of an American hospital and public health adviser to the mayor of Nashville, has a clear message about the opening of schools.

6 minute video well worth everyone's time.

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mac12 · 16/08/2020 22:41

There are so many factual inaccuracies being bandied around on this thread.
I guess we’ll all have just have to wait & see - the govt is pressing ahead with this anti-science folly so by Christmas we will know one way or another who was right.

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WhyNotMe40 · 16/08/2020 22:42

I am not looking forward to being part of the experiment.....

RaspberryRuff · 16/08/2020 22:43

Are the advocates of part time school aware that when the schools in Scotland published their plans under the 2m social distancing many authorities could only have secondary children going back 1 day a week? Mine were going to be more fortunate, in every second day, which was actually a minority amongst people I knew, but we were also told that the blended learning wouldn’t be able to have any teacher support on non school days as obviously the teacher would be teaching the other half of the class that were in school. Which is obviously fine as they can’t split themselves in two. But it seems to be a common misconception on here that all schools could easily have half the children back whilst maintaining SD. They can’t.

WhyNotMe40 · 16/08/2020 22:44

(I have auto immune conditions, am.over 40, and overweight. My FIL has terminal cancer and my DM has COPD and pulmonary fibrosis. I also have contamination and germ-fear OCD. Teaching will be just peachy this term Hmm)

NebularNerd · 16/08/2020 22:45

@WhyNotMe40

The kids in primary see people with masks in shops, on the street, on buses. Mine have their own washable cotton masks already. Only the ASD one has problems with it.
Agreed. That argument does not work when EVERYONE is now so used to seeing masks everywhere. NOT wearing them when surrounded by large groups of people will seem unusual in classrooms in September (secondary especially).
TableFlowerss · 16/08/2020 22:45

Well the only thing for it then- is to go in to full blown lock down again and close everything.....

Because nothing is ever safe is it then? 🙄

Nellodee · 16/08/2020 22:48

I think a local approach of whack-a-mole COULD work. I was one of those people saying "Hold off until September, we'll have a working track and trace program by then." I think the limited return we did have in primaries and secondaries was fine. I think if cases are very low and tracing works as it should, then a return to full time schooling for everyone is possible, even without a vaccine.

But then I read the government guidelines, and they seem determined to just push everything open, up to and past its limit. I think if you are going to have schools open to all students whilst cases are low, then you have to be determined to close them quickly and decisively when you do get a case in them. And I don't think the government plan to do that. I understand that they intend to keep year groups open until there are two positive cases, to only isolate the very closest of contacts. Considering that you never find every case, due to asymptomatic spread, this just seems a recipe for disaster.

I think we should have a much better plan B and have prepared for a winter of switching back and forth for various year groups between home learning and school learning. I think if we have these damned bubbles and we insist on packing the kids in these bubbles together like sardines, then the bloody things should get isolated at a single case. If we're going to play whack-a-mole, let's whack the bloody thing quickly and fatally and ensure we keep cases low, low, low, like they are now.

Because once they start getting out of hand, Covid will do its thing: case, case, cluster, cluster, BOOM!

Flowerfairy2020 · 16/08/2020 22:48

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

No, I am not confused because I personally never called anyone hysterical.
You haven’t, but other posters have and you have quoted part of my response to someone who has. I am equally confused that you responded to my post with a suggestion that schools have to reopen for society to function, as if I was against this.
WhyNotMe40 · 16/08/2020 22:48

@TableFlowerss

Well the only thing for it then- is to go in to full blown lock down again and close everything.....

Because nothing is ever safe is it then? 🙄

The only people who ever say this are the people who are against reasonable safety precautions non schools. Becky it will be different and make things more difficult. I get it. Masks for everyone who can wear them. Extra funding for enhanced cleaning and resources Extra funding for supply Blended learning for secondary. This will make it much more likely that schools will actually stay open past half term. I remember what march was like in school and I do NOT want to go back there.
InDeoEstMeaFiducia · 16/08/2020 22:49

I quoted, I didn't say so myself Hmm.

Jihhery · 16/08/2020 22:50

by Christmas we will know one way or another who was right.

That's a pretty heartbreaking thought, to be fair.

I don't want to be right.

Realistically, many of us will lose people we love this winter.

WhyNotMe40 · 16/08/2020 22:50

Typos. Sorry. Am tired and in bed

Jihhery · 16/08/2020 22:53

HIldreth is also very keen on influenza jabs, mask-wearing, testing of people in prisons & care homes, very proactive contact tracing. He has a poor opinion of Trump.

Is there anything here that should fundamentally alter our opinion of him or undermine the significance of his views? I was expecting you to have something faintly damning but these practices are all what you'd expect from someone who has spent a career keeping people well (and what doctor alive doesn't have a poor opinion of a president who suggests injecting bleach as a treatment - is that supposed to make him look impartial?!).

Jihhery · 16/08/2020 22:54

biased

Nellodee · 16/08/2020 22:57

Just wanted to add: my school has come up with all these pretty ineffectual implementations of the guidelines. What it hasn't done is come up with a plan for if we close. We have no plan B at all, or rather, Plan B is "Do what we did last time."

We could have done so much better. I know some schools have put in contingency plans - every school should have done so. Minimum standards of distance learning should have been made explicit and planned for.

The price of blind optimism will be a thousand more Mumsnet posts about parents getting one worksheet a week for their kids and having no contact from teachers.

Trust me, if us teachers who are on here harping about how unrealistic the plans are were in charge, we'd have made a damned sight better job of it than what's coming. Do not complain to us about how shit it is when schools close.

We know.

Flowerfairy2020 · 16/08/2020 22:59

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia

I quoted, I didn't say so myself Hmm.
I give up, if you’re not willing to follow the thread of this conversation then I will leave you confused forever 🙄
RaspberryRuff · 16/08/2020 22:59

Do people think that senior phase high school pupils getting one day in school a week would offer any kind of meaningful education at all?

InDeoEstMeaFiducia · 16/08/2020 23:01

I give up, if you’re not willing to follow the thread of this conversation then I will leave you confused forever 🙄

I'm not confused, but carry on believing that. This is my bothered face Hmm.

Nellodee · 16/08/2020 23:02

@RaspberryRuff

Do people think that senior phase high school pupils getting one day in school a week would offer any kind of meaningful education at all?
Yes, I think it makes a difference. When we had small year 10 groups, some of the students made more in one lesson per week in a small group than in four lessons a week in a full class.

There are advantages as well as disadvantages to smaller groups and part time learning.

InDeoEstMeaFiducia · 16/08/2020 23:02

@RaspberryRuff

Do people think that senior phase high school pupils getting one day in school a week would offer any kind of meaningful education at all?
Plenty believe total Covid elimination at all costs is a goal worth pursuing no matter what, it seems.
Gwynfluff · 16/08/2020 23:03

vaccine like there is for flu

To be clear, and I support flu vaccines and having one when appropriate, they are best guesses of what strain will be prominent in the coming season. And last year, it was not the right strain in the vaccine.

WhyNotMe40 · 16/08/2020 23:05

@RaspberryRuff

Do people think that senior phase high school pupils getting one day in school a week would offer any kind of meaningful education at all?
I think it will be better than being in school a few weeks, then out of school for a few weeks. And actually having some responsibility for their own learning won't be such a bad thing. If they are in twice a week we can set meaningful work, check remotely that they are doing it and help if needed, then base the next lesson on how well they have done / badger them to do more / correct misconceptions.
Nellodee · 16/08/2020 23:07

When you make things up that other people have said, like "I suppose you want schools shut until we have a vaccine" or "plenty believe total Covid elimination at all costs is a goal worth pursuing" when not one person has said these things, who do you think you are persuading?

You're certainly not convincing anyone who has read the full thread. Do you think people are stupid? Or are you trying to paint a false picture so that people who haven't read the entire thread will be misled and think what you are saying is true? What is the purpose of saying something that YOU know is false, and the people you are arguing with also know is false? I am baffled by this approach.

WhyNotMe40 · 16/08/2020 23:07

The progress my year 10s made in small groups of 8 or so, just in 3 lessons, was amazing. That cannot be underestimated. Our large class sizes in this country are a real hindrance to progression!

RaspberryRuff · 16/08/2020 23:07

Yeah I get the advantage of smaller class sizes. Tbh I wasn’t that bothered about the part time arrangements as it was 2 full days in school one day and 3 the next for my 2 so pretty good. But I have friends with kids who have already missed exams this year sitting 5 highers next year and I find it very hard to believe that the curriculum for 5 higher grade subjects could be taught with kids in school one day a week! Bloody hopeless. Plus also more postcode lottery as my kids would be getting 2.5 times the school time just by virtue of where they live