School return will fail

[covidteacherscotland]

Okay so we have been back to school for a week! Great? No. Definitely not. Some thoughts on why this will be a disaster:

16 and 17 year olds are not children.

Social distancing is impossible. Genuinely impossible. Children will not or cannot stay out your space.

There is no PPE in school at all and staff are not protected in any way.

Children don't give a shit about washing their hands.

We've been doing double periods instead of single to minimise movement. This means that we are stuck in a room with 30 17 year olds with few or no windows as the respiratory droplets add up.

Educating your child is impossible if you can't go near them.

Our time management and pupil progress relies on us being able to give feedback to children formatively as we teach. To mark jotters as we go. We can't do this now.

I think that because infection is so low we'll be okay for a while - a few weeks - then the shit will hit the fan.

@itsgettingweird

Ask me would you feel that way if your child has 3 isolation periods so misses equivalent of half a term teaching.

And they are in a school with poor back up plans.

But another child in same year group gets fr teaching due to geography and better funded school.

Then both children say same exam at end of year deciding both futures equally?

It will be unlikely one bubble closes. Let alone the same bubble 3 times!

Plus with the rapid turn around testing I suspect 14 days isolation will be scrapped soon

Ask me would you feel that way if your child has 3 isolation periods so misses equivalent of half a term teaching

And they are in a school with poor back up plans.

My kids were in a school that did very little online. Their inability and/or reluctance to teach has proven they have no other option but to return to full time teaching in whatever capacity possible.

[quote covidteacherscotland]@MarshaBradyo take yourself off to any nhs / government affiliated website. I'm not doing your work for you. [/quote]
Oh do me a favour you have no clue admit it.

Even scientists are at odds but you know?

Laughable

Honestly after that good luck. God painful in the extreme.

Pointless

Luckily the nurses and medical staff, postal workers, supermarket staff and countless others don’t share your outlook to pack it all in and just sit at home being paid.

@Alongcameacat

Pointless

Luckily the nurses and medical staff, postal workers, supermarket staff and countless others don’t share your outlook to pack it all in and just sit at home being paid.

And yet they didn't get a pay rise...

@Alongcameacat

Ask me would you feel that way if your child has 3 isolation periods so misses equivalent of half a term teaching

And they are in a school with poor back up plans.

My kids were in a school that did very little online. Their inability and/or reluctance to teach has proven they have no other option but to return to full time teaching in whatever capacity possible.

This isn't about returning.

Everyone is returning.

This is about lack of safety measures and lack of plan B if it didn't go well.

And it's kids like yours teacher age campaigning for.

They want them educated satisfactorily - not just when local Covid measures say it's safe

@Alongcameacat

Jesus fucking Christ.

They have safety measures in place.

Teachers aren't packing it in. They are going back to work. Just without the safety measures.

I actually think teachers are doing a piss poor job across society because honestly about 10% of posters on this thread can actually read.

And yet they didn't get a pay rise...
A family member is a nurse in Ireland.
The nurses can’t get an increase because other Gov sectors, police, social workers and presumably teachers too, will demand an increase too..

[quote covidteacherscotland]@Alongcameacat

Jesus fucking Christ.

They have safety measures in place.

Teachers aren't packing it in. They are going back to work. Just without the safety measures.

I actually think teachers are doing a piss poor job across society because honestly about 10% of posters on this thread can actually read. [/quote]
Lots of adults can't read and write. It's why full time education is so important. Unlikely anyone on mumsnet can't read though

Sorry I was being a bit of a dick. Basic reading and writing maybe. Comprehension not so much.

There is no definitive answer on masks and transmission between adults and children.

If you think there is you haven’t been paying attention.

@MarshaBradyo

Yes I'm a total idiot. Says the person who doesn't know how to google 'NHS COVID' or 'Government guidelines COVID'

Cases rise. Bubbles burst. Schools shut

Let me fix that for you.

Cases rise in some schools. The bubbles burst. Schools shut temporarily and then reopen again.

I don't work with just children. I work in a secondary school. They seem pretty confident about adult to adult transmission.

WHO, PHE and NHS SCotland all singing from the same hymn sheet about masks.

Not sure where else I should be looking?

Again for you op

There is no definitive answer on masks and transmission between adults and children.

If you think there is you haven’t been paying attention to scientists beyond whatever superficial stuff you’ve gleaned.

Cases rise in some schools. The bubbles burst. Schools shut temporarily and then reopen again

That's incomplete - let me finish it for you:

And two weeks is lost. For some several times, and for others perhaps none.

How will you make the next round of GCSEs fair?

Of you pop.

I hope you're not an English teacher.

Just without the safety measures.

There are safety measures in place. In our school, there are bubbles. There is a one way system. There are changes at pick ups. There is hand sanitiser. There are changes to break times.

You might not find them adequate. My brother, a nurse, didn’t enjoy going to work in March or April but did so. Everyday life has to continue. This virus could last forever. Should we all sit and home and moan or is it better to do what we can to protect ourselves and get on with our lives.

And two weeks is lost. For some several times, and for others perhaps none.

And this is better than not going back at all how?

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Cases rise. Bubbles burst. Schools shut

Let me fix that for you.

Cases rise in some schools. The bubbles burst. Schools shut temporarily and then reopen again.

And you don't care about the disruption to your child's education if that happens to them?

You don't want better protection to prevent that spending to them?

Then you're more of an embarrassment as a parent than the teachers are here to their profession.

How will you make the next round of GCSEs fair?

Exactly.

Have we resorted to picking up on typos? Yawn.

@Alongcameacat

And yet they didn't get a pay rise... A family member is a nurse in Ireland. The nurses can’t get an increase because other Gov sectors, police, social workers and presumably teachers too, will demand an increase too..

In England, I believe it's because nurses have a 3-yearly increase already in place, which apparently means that they can't get any further increases. Which is silly, obviously. Made for good DM headlines though, when they announced a rise for teachers and not nurses.