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To think the government should enforce mask wearing by directing shops not to allow people in without them?

204 replies

MyNameIsNotMummy · 10/08/2020 18:59

I’m not talking about the very few people with genuine ‘exemptions’ . I’m talking whole families and couples who can’t all have medical/psychological issues so can’t wear them.

Several times over the last few weeks, I’ve seen young couples (only younger people funnily enough) and family groups not wearing masks in my local supermarket and town shops.

I asked my supermarket why they are letting them in and they said they can’t enforce it.

Why should I and the majority of people go through the discomfort of having to put one on when ignorant twats like that just decide they’re not going to. We’re protecting them but they don’t give a shit about protecting usAngry?

I think we should all start heckling them to get out and get a mask on like I’ve seen happen in the US.

AIBU in that they deserve to be shamed into wearing a mask if they government aren’t going to be stricter about it?

We all want to get back to normal. It’s imbeciles like this who are going to prolong it for the rest of us.

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Drumple · 10/08/2020 20:49

Why can’t you post in the correct topic?

I mean. Since you’re all about the roolz n all.

jolokoy · 10/08/2020 20:50

Honestly think we should massively massively swerve basically ANYTHING they are doing in the US right now.

It's not going well over there!

Tootsey11 · 10/08/2020 20:54

@MyNameIsNotMummy, how do you know genuine exceptions are extremely rare. Explain please because I can't wait to hear how you know every single persons medical history.

mathanxiety · 10/08/2020 21:02

Where I live masks are mandatory. A staff member or security officer mans the door to enforce both maximum occupancy and mask wearing. Entrance and exit doors are limited to one entrance, one exit (some supermarkets, big box retailers normally have several doors).

mathanxiety · 10/08/2020 21:03

However, the police here are armed...

Teal99 · 10/08/2020 21:03

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JacobReesMogadishu · 10/08/2020 21:08

OP Have you also seen the videos in the USA Where people throw tinned food at shop staff who have told them to leave?

Not fair on shop staff to be subjected to that. Govt can get the police to enforce it if they want.

amusedtodeath1 · 10/08/2020 21:18

It should be enforced but not by shop staff. You can't ask minimum wage workers with no training to put themselves in danger, people are nuts sometimes!!

Drumple · 10/08/2020 21:22

How do you know looking at someone whether they are legitimately exempt?

sunshineandshowers21 · 10/08/2020 21:35

@amusedtodeath1 enforced how? how would you police who was exempt and who wasn’t? what about people with mental health issues or people with trauma around their face being covered that don’t want to disclose why they can’t wear a mask?

Sennetti · 10/08/2020 21:46

well this went well!! @MyNameIsNotMummy where have you gone?

SeasideMaiden · 10/08/2020 21:59

If one of a couple can’t wear a mask, then bloody well let your partner shop on their own ffs

I have friends who have developed crippling anxiety because of the fear on being confronted as many of us disabled people have been (I'm a member of many disability and wheelchair user groups), who sometimes need to be able to go out themselves, but who need someone with them.

There's also disabled people with a carer, the disabled person won't necessarily be in a chair or have noticeable problems.

And people like me who can claim exemption but wear one, but however need someone to take their mask off to talk to me because I lipread (I've found going out full stop quite frustrating because people assume I can hear them and the more distressed I get, the harder it is for me to communicate it properly).

Currently, different areas of disability rights are being erased or ignored. It's bad enough that disabled parking spaces are being cordoned off, but able-bodied, healthy but pathetic individuals have hijacked the exemption cards, meaning that several of the disabled community have ended up in tears, being asked why they aren't wearing one, then when they're told that person is exempt, being grilled as to exactly why they're exempt.

For abuse survivors in particular, that's very traumatising.

The whole system would work fine if truly exempt people had a specific card which could only come from their doctor. I'm sure people would try and replicate them but it would be harder for people to appropriate disability, which currently is making our lives more hell than they already are.

We have a right to come out too.

I'm just glad I spent a few months practising wearing masks before they even mentioned the possibility of it being mandatory. It's problematic for me, but less than it was.

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Alabamawhirly1 · 10/08/2020 22:09

You have absolutely no idea who is excempt and who isn't. Why can't a couple both be excempt.

So no I don't think we should harass people for not wearing masks.

Here's a better idea. If you see someone with no mask on, just give them a wide birth. Because you can't catch anything from them if you don't go near them. If you start an altercation with them, you may well catch something though - or better yet end up giving an illness to an already vulnerable person.

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 10/08/2020 22:34

Are you this much of a bully in real life OP, or has the pandemic brought out the worst in you?

You do realise that you're advocating for the large minority of people who are unable to wear masks to be excluded from any part of society where they need to be in public indoors? And for this to be enforced by the Army? I'm really hoping that this is just virus-fear talking and that you don't actually want to live in a country that lacking in sympathy, empathy, and, frankly, a sense of human rights for all. If you do, then feel free to move to one of the many countries out there where people with unseen trauma or disability are not currently able to interact in society.

goodwinter · 10/08/2020 22:38

So glad to see comments sticking up for retail staff. This is not their job and they put up with hell as it is.

1Morewineplease · 10/08/2020 22:38

My daughter works in retail and asked a customer if she had a mask as she entered the store.
The customer’s reply was “ it’s so hot I can’t be doing with it.”

MyNameIsNotMummy · 10/08/2020 22:42

Hear, hear General Blah. Anybody would think that the whole country being basically being shut down, millions of children’s educations and MH being fucked up and billions being lost from the economy was just for shits and giggles Wine.

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TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 10/08/2020 23:00

OP, you still haven’t told us where you get your insider knowledge which allows you to assert that genuine exemptions are very rare?

OnceUponAMidnightBeery · 10/08/2020 23:00

@Slippy78

Definitely not. I work in a petrol station and if we told customers that they couldn't come in without a mask then a fair number of them would just end up driving off without paying for the fuel that they've already put in their vehicles. It's not like I can ask them to take it out again and leave it on the counter...
This! With bells on.

The abuse we’re getting because we’re asking customers to pay by card rather than cash, to abide by the 3 in shop rule, and leave the shop by a different aisle is ridiculous 😡

Add in trying to enforce mask wearing? No thanks, not worth the stress to both staff and customers who may be exempt. There’s only so many times you can be called ‘an officious cunt’ before you stop even trying to get people to think about their actions

goodwinter · 10/08/2020 23:01

The thing is @MyNameIsNotMummy, there is no good solution. Yes, some people are selfish and just can't be bothered to wear a mask. Or they're the ridiculous "I won't be muzzled" types. But what is the answer? Retail staff shouldn't have to deal with it. The police are overstretched as it is. And besides, there is no proper system for exemptions meaning that people with genuine disabilities get caught up in the shaming and end up having to relay their intimate details or trauma to satisfy someone's questioning. And even then, without a proper system, how do you know they're telling the truth? It is completely unenforceable without veering into disability discrimination and/or putting low-paid staff at risk of assualt. I get that it's a problem, but there truly is no good answer.

StylishMummy · 10/08/2020 23:04

@MyNameIsNotMummy you sound like a nasty piece of work. I'm early 30s, medically exempt and I have already been accosted when in shops without a mask due to busybodies like you. I HATE YOU.

I have a hidden disability and I'm now genuinely scared to go about my usual food shop/fuel purchase/general activists because vile people like you believe they get to decide who's 'genuinely' exempt. I go shopping with DH when we're considering a big purchase etc. He wears a mask and I don't. What goddam right do you have to comment?

MumsyMumIAmNot · 10/08/2020 23:05

My twat of a partner only remembered he forgot his mask as he was going in to sainsburys so he carried on and no one stopped him. Hes an idiot. I don't want to get ill because someone doesn't want to wear a mask. Selfishness (my idiot included)

amusedtodeath1 · 10/08/2020 23:05

[quote sunshineandshowers21]@amusedtodeath1 enforced how? how would you police who was exempt and who wasn’t? what about people with mental health issues or people with trauma around their face being covered that don’t want to disclose why they can’t wear a mask?[/quote]
I don't have an answer to that I'm afraid. In an ideal world everyone who can wear one would and no there'd be no need to question anyone, but some people just don't want to wear one because it's a bit uncomfortable. I am exempt from wearing one but because I can cope I wear one anyway, if my MH gets bad I might not be able to so I do see it from all sides.

amusedtodeath1 · 10/08/2020 23:12

Sorry to double post, but forgot to say, I agree with PP who said exemption cards should be available via health services/GP on request.

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