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To think the government should enforce mask wearing by directing shops not to allow people in without them?

204 replies

MyNameIsNotMummy · 10/08/2020 18:59

I’m not talking about the very few people with genuine ‘exemptions’ . I’m talking whole families and couples who can’t all have medical/psychological issues so can’t wear them.

Several times over the last few weeks, I’ve seen young couples (only younger people funnily enough) and family groups not wearing masks in my local supermarket and town shops.

I asked my supermarket why they are letting them in and they said they can’t enforce it.

Why should I and the majority of people go through the discomfort of having to put one on when ignorant twats like that just decide they’re not going to. We’re protecting them but they don’t give a shit about protecting usAngry?

I think we should all start heckling them to get out and get a mask on like I’ve seen happen in the US.

AIBU in that they deserve to be shamed into wearing a mask if they government aren’t going to be stricter about it?

We all want to get back to normal. It’s imbeciles like this who are going to prolong it for the rest of us.

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MyNameIsNotMummy · 10/08/2020 19:50

It is disgusting Budapest. Tells you all you need to know about our society.

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Frazzled13 · 10/08/2020 19:50

@MyNameIsNotMummy

wanderings so there’s no proven benefit of wearing masks to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses then? So all the scientists are wrong then?
I'm not sure that's what she meant, I think she was commenting on what Boris thinks, which is "let's make a token effort and then blame the public for not complying"
Sennetti · 10/08/2020 19:52

@ruabon from time to time??? sorry but its pretty much every fifth customer in our store......we have builders coming in with no tops on, let alone no mask! (non food retail)

we have also seen an upsurge of first aid treatment being required with the onset of panic attacks/fainting/asthma flare ups from wearing the masks

coupled with the hot weather....this is not fun

and no, before anyone brings it up our shop floor staff are NOT wearing masks of any sort

wanderings · 10/08/2020 19:57

I said nothing about scientists. Obviously I need a mask to stop words being put into my mouth. Wink. And are all the “scientists” unanimous on this?

Underhisi · 10/08/2020 19:57

"Genuine exemptions are so extremely rare though"

How rare? Give us a figure.

islockdownoveryet · 10/08/2020 19:59

Why should I and the majority of people go through the discomfort of having to put one on when ignorant twats like that just decide they’re not going to.*
You just answered your own question, because your not a ignorant twat and you wear one because you know it's the benefit to you and others .
I honestly wouldn't let it bother me , one thing I've learnt through all this you can't control what others are doing . So wear your mask and just get on with your day .

wanderings · 10/08/2020 20:00

Thanks @Frazzled13.

QueenofmyPrinces · 10/08/2020 20:08

Other countries respect their government and the law - unfortunately a lot of British people don't.

Because the British Government is a joke. I have no respect for BJ.

I do wear a mask but it’s all nonsense.

uniglowooljumper · 10/08/2020 20:10

@MyNameIsNotMummy

Anybody bored of this subject, feel free not to click on a thread in which the subject title clearly states what it’s about Hmm.
Right, so in addition to proposing totally bonkers and downright dangerous martial law and fucking vigilantism, you also think you can police other people on how they post and what. Thankfully, the world doesn't work the way you want, which is almost as scary as it is utterly stupid AF.

Honestly, my eyes glaze over anytime I read 'surely' because you just know it's going to be something stupid, but this was irresistable.

uniglowooljumper · 10/08/2020 20:13

@MyNameIsNotMummy

Genuine exemptions are so extremely rare though, the vast majority are selfish people who don’t want to put the effort into getting used to wearing them, and due to that those of us who are wearing them will have to wear them for a much longer period of time.
You know this how?

Some people shouldn't have internet access.

Sleepyblueocean · 10/08/2020 20:17

"I don’t understand how this can’t be enforced by using the Armed Forces if shop staff are at that much risk?"

Or you could offer it to the local paedo hunters as an extra hobby.

Slippy78 · 10/08/2020 20:17

Definitely not. I work in a petrol station and if we told customers that they couldn't come in without a mask then a fair number of them would just end up driving off without paying for the fuel that they've already put in their vehicles. It's not like I can ask them to take it out again and leave it on the counter...

MooneyBadger · 10/08/2020 20:21

The government's own advice on wearing face-coverings includes the following:

In settings where face coverings are required in England, there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering. Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances, noting that some people are less able to wear face coverings, and that the reasons for this may not be visible to others.

Before calling on others to follow government advice, maybe you should read what the advice actually says, OP.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#when-you-do-not-need-to-wear-a-face-covering

OneForMeToo · 10/08/2020 20:24

The man at the local wilko asked a women and she’s was just like “I anit wearing one” and walked in right by him.

I know it was really hot and muggy today I wore one thought my entire doctors appointment and psychical exam it was like a damp soggy rag after 😅

sunshineandshowers21 · 10/08/2020 20:28

i can’t wear a mask. i’ve tried but i have horrific panic attacks, so i just can’t. last time i tried to wear a mask i had a panic attack that caused me to pass out in the middle of a shopping centre. other than that i’m in perfect health, so why should i have to stay in and have my partner do all the shopping? my partner also has ptsd stemming from childhood abuse and he doesn’t like wearing a mask but tolerates it. if he couldn’t wear a mask would we both then not be able to leave the house? i don’t understand why there’s so many people trying to police the usage of masks. and talk of bringing in the army to endure mask wearing is just beyond ridiculous. just accept that there are reasons why people are exempt and get on with your own life.

HeIenaDove · 10/08/2020 20:32

This young woman has waived her anonymity to talk about this after receiving no response from her MP.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/aug/10/survivors-say-they-are-being-stigmatised-for-not-wearing-masks

Rape survivors say they are being stigmatised for not wearing masks
Campaigners say survivors are being castigated despite fact that covering face can trigger flashbacks and panic attacks

When Georgina Fallows even contemplates putting on a mask, the flashbacks to her rape can be overwhelming and debilitating. She is not alone.

Rape survivors are among those voicing deep concerns about the stigma and ensuing “mask rage” attached to not wearing a face covering in shops, on transport and in other public places, prompting calls for better recognition of legitimate reasons why people are exempt.

A number of rape and sexual abuse survivors have told the charity Rape Crisis they are so scared of being confronted and verbally abused for not wearing face masks that they are avoiding places where they may be challenged.

“A significant proportion of rape survivors had their mouths or noses covered, or were choked or smothered, as part of the abuse and violence they experienced,” said Kate Russell, the national spokesperson for Rape Crisis England and Wales. “Covering their face and nose now can trigger flashbacks, panic attacks and severe anxiety.”

Severe distress is recognised by the government as a reason for a legal exemption from the mandatory use of face coverings. But rape victims still fear they will be castigated.

Russell said: “There’s a lot of assumptions that people who aren’t wearing face masks are behaving that way because they’re selfish, stupid, careless or a combination of all three. This lack of awareness is creating legitimate anxiety among rape survivors that if they go out and about they might not be met with empathy and care.”

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Fallows, a 29-year-old solicitor, suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and cannot bear to have her mouth covered, years after her experience of rape.

“For part of my rape, he had his hand over my mouth. As a result, anything over my mouth – even an oxygen mask – can trigger a flashback. And that is hugely distressing. Physically, it feels like I’m back there again and he’s raping me and I am dying,” she said.

The distress she suffers amid flashbacks can be so severe that paramedics have felt it necessary to call the police to hold her down so they can sedate her. “It’s absolutely horrendous. I would like to be able to wear a mask, not just for my own health, but because I don’t want to make other people feel uncomfortable. But even the thought of putting on a mask makes me very, very, very panicky.”

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When she tried to get her hair cut after lockdown, another customer interrogated her about her lack of a mask, refusing to accept Fallows’ reply that she was exempt.

“She told me that was ridiculous and said I had no proof. I cried all the way home. She truly believed that I was a self-centred, ignorant girl who didn’t give a shit about anybody else. I felt completely worthless.”

Since then, whenever she has tried to go to an enclosed public space without a mask, she has been challenged. She is now avoiding all shops and public transport which, since she has no car, is severely restricting where she can go. “I can’t see my family, who live two hours away. If I want to go anywhere, I have to walk.”

She fears this could leave her vulnerable to another attack – she was dragged off the street by her rapist – and so spends a lot of time alone in her bedroom. “I’ve tried so hard to rejoin life again, as it were. But it feels like it has all been taken away again

She contacted her MP, local councillor and mayor to urge them to mount a public awareness campaign about the legitimate reasons for mask exemptions, but received no response.

She has waived her right to anonymity to raise awareness. “People feel like they have the right to challenge you, and that is awful. You wouldn’t look at me and know I’d been raped, but I was, and it’s a huge problem for me. I spend most of my time trying to forget what happened to me. I don’t need to be challenged about this three or four times a day, just trying to live my life. All it does is remind me of something I’m desperately trying to forget.”

Rape Crisis wants shops and public transport companies to display signs and remind customers there are legitimate reasons people may not be wearing masks, which may not always be visible or obvious, and discourage customers from challenging each other.

The Oxfordshire Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre has compiled a list of ways in which some survivors of sexual violence have found it possible to wear face coverings.

“The list offers support and advice for survivors around face coverings and how they can perhaps make the experience of wearing a face covering less traumatic,” said Russell. She urged any survivor who is distressed or concerned about wearing a face mask to get in touch with Rape Crisis nationally or a local service.

Heatherjayne1972 · 10/08/2020 20:32

My 18 year old works in a shop Sometimes she’s in charge of the door
I’ve told her to ignore the idiots who won’t wear a mask - no way does she get paid enough to put up with hassle from such people - and why should she. She’s employed to serve she is not a pseudo policewoman

HeIenaDove · 10/08/2020 20:36

I bet Beer Guts Brian here happily sits in a pub without one on. And its completely predictable that mainly women seem to be targeted.

twitter.com/naijagyaldee/status/1290212852310016000?s=20

BakedCam · 10/08/2020 20:36

OP, give us a break.

Armed forces on the streets. Forcing people to wear masks.

There are legal exemptions which is the other side of the law.

You're aware, that as a UK resident, you've given up quite a lot of your rights under the Health and Coronavirus Act?

If you feel safe, don't judge others that don't wear one.

jasjas1973 · 10/08/2020 20:37

@MyNameIsNotMummy Mask wearing doesn't make so much difference to CV spread, countries that have a mask wearing culture have still seen increases in CV.

The Govt introduced mask wearing so they can be seen to be doing something, thats all.

HeIenaDove · 10/08/2020 20:40

"Family groups of grandparents, parents and preteen/teenage DC. Couples in their 20/30’s with toddlers (obviously I’m aware under 11’s are exempt).

Quite a few couples where one is wearing a mask but the other isnthmm. If one of a couple can’t wear a mask, then bloody well let your partner shop on their own ffs!"

Some 11 year olds look older. If you think ppl with medical exemptions should provide proof then why shouldnt the parents of those 11 year olds have to produce a birth certificate as proof.

Pikachubaby · 10/08/2020 20:44

But masks (esp the home made type) as they are, and the way people use them don’t do much anyway

BJ brought them in as an economic measure, as the sight of masks would encourage people to feel safe again and go and spend money in shops. That was the reason to make people wear masks.

That’s why they were only brought in AFTER the worst of the pandemic, and when shops and pubs started to open again.

It’s a big old security blanket for those who are frightened.

I wear one as I don’t want frighten other people who are already scared

But I quite understand that people can’t be arsed with this charade.

HeIenaDove · 10/08/2020 20:47

@MyNameIsNotMummy Im in Essex too Delly Lomas.

Granted its a big place but a lot of people are wearing them.

OLGADEEPOLGA · 10/08/2020 20:48

I think you need to mind your own business OP.

userxx · 10/08/2020 20:49

@Pikachubaby Absolutely spot on.