Predicted 2nd wave

[Pixxie7]

So they are predicting a 2nd wave twice as big as the first at the beginning of December if the track and trace system isn’t improved. Do you think the government has learnt anything?

@Jussayingisall not much of an argument given that its virtually impossible for anyone to prove where the caught COVID, even now when there's testing, let alone back in March where there was none.

65 out of the thousands of educational staff, that also includes backroom, is not people dropping dead. It's a very tiny number.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/latest

Section 2:
"During the most recent week of the study, we estimate that 35,700 people in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) (95% credible interval: 23,700 to 53,200)2. This equates to 0.07% (95% credible interval: 0.04% to 0.10%) of the population in England or around 1 in 1,500 people (95% credible interval: 1 in 2,300 to 1 in 1,000). This is based on exploratory modelling of throat and nose swab results."

@Jussayingisall

65 out of the thousands of educational staff, that also includes backroom, is not people dropping dead. It's a very tiny number.

Let us hope that nothing is added to this number after full re-opening in September - I am sure that we all agree that the last thing anyone wants is collateral damage for children all being in school (which is what everyone wants, whether teacher or parent) in the form of additional illness or death amongst school staff and the communities around a school.

It's 65 in a very short space of time though.

There is the question of how many current education staff one might usually expect to die in the couple of months between mid-February and mid-April?

@cantkeepawayforever

Two points. Deaths occur on average 21-28 days after infection so they could have caught it in school pre lockdown... and schools hadn’t been closed for a month anyway. They were open to children of key workers.

The school buses are going to be running here though advice is to cycle and walk if you can. ONS stats on drivers deaths with covid were bad, one of the worst categories if I remember rightly. It doesn't make sense to me.

@Jussayingisall

Wow. I’m sure the family of those 65 don’t agree. And the family of those who have died since that stat months ago. And the family of those who have not died but have life changing effects. And the family of those at greater risk of schools open fully.

Our school was half empty two weeks before lockdown and two thirds empty the week before. We haven’t seen the effect of full schools yet.

I just don’t understand how you la m empathy.

Lack empathy.

I have lots of empathy. Especially for all the people affected by lockdown. Funny how no one shows empathy when every single day of every single single year people died of flu, sepsis, measles, cold etc etc. People die it is part of life's rich pattern.

I think you'll find people do show sympathy for victims of those diseases @Jussayingisall, that's why we have vaccines for some and treatments for others. We are a long time dead, no need to rush into the grave.

Sorry i must have missed the breaking sky news yellow ticker, that plays all day for people that died of non covid deaths.

Not being funny but your statement about 65 dead teachers in a month being nothing shows no empathy at all. Nor does your whataboutery tactics re other illnesses. Which the rest of us do have sympathy and empathy for and it’s pretty sweeping and reaching to suggest otherwise.

You’re not exactly showing empathy for the many underlying illnesses that can put teachers, parents and pupils at risk to be honest.

Ok so we don’t have empathy because sky news prioritised a once in a century global pandemic as being newsworthy. Got it.

Yes the media have been hyper bloat times but that has nothing to do with the public’s empathy. Odd claim.

Hyperbolic not hyper bloat!!!

@cantkeepawayforever

schoolsweek.co.uk/ons-figures-reveal-65-covid-related-deaths-in-education/

It is, as you know, entirely impossible to say where an individual caught the virus, especially early in the pandemic when testing was so poor. As schools had been closed for a month at this date, it is likely that many caught the virus out in the community, not in school - but there is no proof either way.

There's no proof where anyone caught it. The posters who are downplaying the number of school staff affected, are you doing the same to every occupation? Do you argue that the nurses and doctors who died might have caught it anywhere? Or bus drivers? Or care home staff?

I'm so tired of people downplaying and refusing to accept facts just because they want to ignore this and get everything back to normal.

Mention that everyone should be wearing masks and people start screaming that it's discriminatory to people who can't wear them, that they have the right to go out to places and not be locked up at home. Then it comes to schools and the concern for the safety of vulnerable students and teachers. How quickly people demand that they need to just stay at home. Hang on a minute - what about discrimination and the right to go to school and work?

Dd is due to return to uni in September, she’s looking forward to it even though all lectures will be online.
Ds due to go back to school too, I’m petrified as he’s autistic and has no concept of personal space / social distancing, even though he’s 12. I’m hoping that the plans change and the schools don’t reopen in Sept.Even if they do, I think they’ll lockdown again by October and that will be it til next year. Genuinely frightened about it all.

I have empathy to anyone who has passed, but no I still don't think it's a reason to suspend life for all.

40% rise of heart attack deaths during all this

@Jussayingisall

I have empathy to anyone who has passed, but no I still don't think it's a reason to suspend life for all.

Agree

I think you mean sympathy. Empathy is for the living.

Very clever @Piggywaspushed. Well done.

Thanks.

The virus is causing heart attack deaths. Strokes too. Its because ur commonly causes blood clots.

I talked of empathy for families. I believe they are living.