Did no one know gatherings at home were limited to 2 households?

[Grottyfeet]

So the only permitted Eid celebrations were having one brother and his family round, or one set of GPs, unless you all live together, in which case there's no change anyway?

I haven't had anyone in my house because the weather here has been lovely and we've stuck to outdoor gatherings, where up to six are allowed, but I have been vaguely aware it was only two households allowed to meet indoors. Even in the pub you're only supposed to meet up with one other household.

It does seem to have been a shocking failure of communication though.

With a pub, restaurant etc inside it should only be 2 households and social distancing

@Grottyfeet

So which rule(s) does it break Littlerainbowmouse?

I think it breaks the guidance on no more than 6 people meeting outside,

Think will have to cancel the booking now!

If pubs etc carry on not caring they may find themselves closing, especially if the Government want schools to open fully and stay open

I don't know what the rules currently are, but I haven't particularly sought them out. Things feel back to normal in my village. Pubs aren't even taking contact details anymore.

@JacobReesMogadishu could you meet outside somewhere (depending on the weather)

I think after Cummings a lot of people gave up

Seriously, I think the same. Also the endless U-turns, vague warnings ("Stay alert"? What the hell did that mean? How do you spot a virus sneaking up on you?), lies ("we were never aiming for herd immunity" - as if we'd forgotten who we heard that phrase from) and general incompetence.

But Cummings was a special case. I think when people saw him get away with breaking rules that most of us were forcing ourselves to obey -- a lot of people thought To hell with it.

With regards to sport, I understand that governing bodies are agreeing their restarting plans with DCMS. So the cricket example given upthread is probably ok even though it doesn't feel any different than if a bunch of us decided to meet on a cricket green in a group of more than 30 which I don't think is allowed? It's so confusing.

So 25 people rugby training is (presumably) within the rules but my bikeride of 10 isn't?

I thought I had a reasonable grasp if all this but this is blowing my mind.

For me, I'm just trying to be "sensible" but I'm finding it harder and harder because everyone else is becoming so relaxed. For example, I went for a run this morning. Six weeks ago people divided into bushes to avoid a passing runner. Today, I was out for two hours and went at the time I have found is the quietest in the woods (about 11:30, after the early runners and dog walkers and before most family afternoon stroĺls). I didn't see a lot of people, but a family made a big thing of letting me go through a gate first but didn't stand back from it, I met a friend who stood far to close and had to keep steeping back, a little girl came running up to me to show me her doll, while her parents smiled indulgenty, then I saw a friend in the car park and had a lovely chat at a good distance. Tonight she posted pictures of "girls night" in her garden with barely a mm between them, let alone 2m, so if that's how she's been previously that encounter wasn't as low risk as it felt at the time.

I understood it to be two households could mix indoors/at a pub etc. in a group of up to 6 people.

We have only met with one other household and mainly outside and socially distanced. For example, we are good friends with the family down the road and had a BBQ with them last week.

All done outside and sitting 2m apart. We did use the toilet but we used the downstairs one and they used the upstairs one.

I keep my distance from people when out, wear a mask in shops and to be honest, unless essential I don't go to shops. I have been shopping online.

We are going to the Lakes in a couple of weeks but staying in a cottage that is rural and on it's own. We won't be eating out and will stick to outdoor activities only e.g. walks/picnics/parks.

Rules are white clear on two households or 6 people people are just choosing to ignore
Anyone who plays football or other sports will also know the struct rules that apply to training etc
Also the guidelines are availible to read so if people are unsure they can find out
I think everyone is just loosely following with a minority totally flouting

[quote Lilybet1980]@Lovemusic33 have you actually been in a pub yet? You can only sit at tables, no hanging around. Most are using apps for orders so you don’t even go to the bar. Literally the only time you are not sat at your table is to go to the toilet or when arriving/leaving. It’s totally different to being in a private home with 30 people who you know.[/quote]
Most of the pubs here are tiny, I haven’t been for this reason, I can’t see how people can be far away enough from each other. I’m happy to go and eat in a bigger pub or eat outside but I don’t fancy going for a drink in one of the smaller pubs here.

Yep full contact rugby training is within the rules, no tests required, just opt out for 7 days if you have symptoms or you have a negative result, which ever one happens first.

So I can literally grapple 25 men (which I did this morning), but I can only go for a drink with one of them.

You will find pubs and restaurants and really cafes will only seat people together from max two households and many limiting to 6 max

@Grottyfeet I think it is the difference between legal rules and government guidance as they don't marry up.

I think sensible is the way to go - like you said, maintaining social distancing, wearing masks in shops, washing hands regularly etc.

@grottyfeet no 25 people arent allowed to rugby train at present max 6 and no contact and various other strict rules

I haven't met anyone inside, only outside. Imo, it's much safer to stick to outdoors.

Just a thought, if you’re that confused about the rules go to gov.uk and educate yourself. It’s not that difficult. People are just being difficult.

People keep saying the rules are clear but no one is actually prepared to say what they are

I also find the government (online) pamflets confusing as there seems to be one for every occasion, so you read one and think you get it, then read another and it conflicts. If the rules are so complex social contact can't be covered in one page of bullet points.....

@Simonjt where are you as that is t allowed in england

I live on n an area of local lockdown. No one was taking notice of the rules pre second lockdown and nothing had changed. It's a total joke.

Dominic Cummings really screwed the country. Twat.

I was never even remotely clear how many households were 'allowed' over - whether it was 2 other households, or just your household and one other one

@SimonJT

Yep full contact rugby training is within the rules, no tests required, just opt out for 7 days if you have symptoms or you have a negative result, which ever one happens first.

So I can literally grapple 25 men (which I did this morning), but I can only go for a drink with one of them.

Totally different to youth rugby, only allowed to train in groups of 6, no contact, rigid social distancing! DS would love to get back to full contact!

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@grottyfeet no 25 people arent allowed to rugby train at present max 6 and no contact and various other strict rules [/quote]
So SimonJT's club have got it all wrong?

My understanding of guidelines upto 6 people outside , inside max of 2 housesholds though
Pubs etc again only 2 households and even suggested you dont speak to people you know if you bump into them
But again most people i know are loosely following and using common sense