Schools should close to save our economy, jobs and for our kids future as they will have to pay back all the debt in the future out of their taxes

[947EliseChalotte]

Aibu to think schools should not open in September as we don't know the long term/ future health problems from covid kids may suffer in the long term. pubs should stay open to save jobs, economy, and people's houses the kids in the future would only have to pay back in the future for generations taxes if we close pubs and get the country in more debt. Education kids can be homeschooled. For our kids futures ( health reasons and their future economy/ countried debts they will be left to sort out / pay back .schools should stay shut in sept and keep pubs open.

Thouse who suggest forming a bubble with a friend or family member. Where would I find "the one"?
All my friends are either working FT or have a partner. Similar with family, they are too far away, too old or working FT. It's not as easy as it sounds.

Then there is home schooling after a long day at work (I commute 1 hour each way), my job can't be done from home & not a key worker. DC are 8 & 13, so I might be able to get some child care for the younger one but not the oldest. DC 13 can be left on own for some time, but not indefinitely. But not in charge of younger DC.

@Bananabread8
You do realise medical staff have been able to send their children to school all along and this wouldn't change if schools weren't reopened more widely?
It would appear that you are in the majority of MN posters who doesn't give a fuck if millions of people are made redundant (and not just those who work in pubs, but at a minimum pub, restaurant, cafe, hotel, laundry, food manufacturing, brewing and distilling, logistics, cleaning, printers and event planners) as long as you don't have to make any sacrifices.

@StatisticalSense and your view on pubs or schools is?

@947EliseChalotte

Yes I did ask if we should treat covid like flu and just learn to live alongside it. But now the goverment are now thinking it's either pubs or schools to re open. I'm all for keeping the economy going, more jobs and less taxes for our kids and more jobs for them. I'm getting fed up of no freedom & normality. in the past people have fought and life's have been lost for our freedom. Do we open everything back up and live with consequences for our freedom? Or do we keep having lockdowns ,closing schools and bussiness' ? Having no normality or freedom till we have a vaccine which ..we might not?

So you want normality, everything open but you want to deny a huge swathe of children bad young people a decent education?

The hospitality sector employs approx 10% of workers.

It's not been suggested that all areas of hospitality would close- we've not been fed info that hotels, restaurants, theme parks, attractions were at risk so presumably it's alcohol or behaviour that results from broadcasting sport in pubs (crowding round a tv, hugging when there's a goal...) that's the issue.

Tbh if our kids can’t go to school then more and more people might well turn to private online schools. I work designing course content and e-learning programs. There are hundreds and thousands of highly qualified teachers (very often from South Africa, Canada and other countries with degrees,pgces , masters etc) working for a fraction of a teacher’s salary in the UK with online schools.
The market is actually saturated with online tutors at the moment and more companies will open.
I would hate to think of my kids sitting in front of a screen for hours a day but there’s no way people (mainly women) can continue to work with this uncertainty. And who knows maybe there can be a balance of working their school times at different times /weekend hours. There’s flexibility with online learning. So maybe physical schools will start closing anyway . There’s no way we want our taxes paying for an education that isn’t happening. I know schools have varied but we had 5 months of no teacher here at all with some basic links, ended up using my own resources..
The comments are so flippant in some of these threads “get childcare (very few childminders here and they cater for preschoolers cause usually the older ones are in schools...), get a nanny (yup with your spare 25/30k a year), go part-time (like everyone can do that), get a random teenager to educate and mind your kids , oh and give up your job! These are comments I get in real life off people with no kids or people whose children are way older. Basically it isn’t their problem.
I find the vast majority of these threads are made people who have no children , teachers (I am one) or people who aren’t at risk of losing their income..

@Sinuhe
Unfortunately it simply isn't possible to keep every single individual in work, so the decision has to be made that keeps the greatest number in work, even if this means some will have no choice but to resign as they'll be more than enough unemployed people to take on these roles.

*no teaching

@netflixismysidehustle
The only stuff coming out so far is from those on the side of schools so it is unsurprising that they are specifically targeting pubs on the basis that many parts of society would like to see them closed in normal times, despite knowing that it isn't actually physically possible to close pubs but not restaurants.

Schools NEED to open.
We need more track and trace, masks in more places, such as wear them into a pub/restaurant until your at your table, put on to go to the toilet etc.

Schools are not going to be open full time in September anyway, so I wouldn’t worry too much

[quote StatisticalSense]@Bananabread8
You do realise medical staff have been able to send their children to school all along and this wouldn't change if schools weren't reopened more widely?
It would appear that you are in the majority of MN posters who doesn't give a fuck if millions of people are made redundant (and not just those who work in pubs, but at a minimum pub, restaurant, cafe, hotel, laundry, food manufacturing, brewing and distilling, logistics, cleaning, printers and event planners) as long as you don't have to make any sacrifices.[/quote]
So you're saying working parents (mainly women) should sacrifice their jobs and livelihood to keep the hospitality industry afloat? And an entire generation should miss out on a proper education?

I understand the damage being done to that industry and I sympathise massively but you can't put hospitality before education.

@blue25

Schools are not going to be open full time in September anyway, so I wouldn’t worry too much

Has your school confirmed this?

[quote StatisticalSense]@netflixismysidehustle
The only stuff coming out so far is from those on the side of schools so it is unsurprising that they are specifically targeting pubs on the basis that many parts of society would like to see them closed in normal times, despite knowing that it isn't actually physically possible to close pubs but not restaurants.[/quote]
Wrong. I'm love pubs and have done what I can to support my locals and my friends pubs further afield. They play an important role in our community but not at the expense of education.

*l love

@Thefab3
So it's unacceptable to suggest that some parents may have to give up work but completely acceptable to suggest that those working in hospitality should be made jobless?
When people are suggesting the employment of a small minority of parents should be sacrificed in order to keep a larger number of others in work they aren't doing it because of some imaginary grudge but rather because they believe the jobs of those in hospitality deserve just as much protection as any other and therefore it makes sense to take the course of action that takes the least number of people out of work.

No. Tighten up test, track & trace; aim to get a lid on transmission. Local isolation/quarantine strategy. Personal steps for respiratory & hand hygiene and personal distance. Improvements in clinical understanding/treatments, eventually vaccination.
Keep life going as best we can, with precautions.

@StatisticalSense how dare you. I’m not sure what or if you have a job. But from what your writing it doesn’t sound like it. I made sacrifices thank you. When schools shut down. Hubs were created and merged with 3 other schools (in my area). My child had to get to know new children and teachers so did I. We could go on and on. But there’s a reason why hubs were created for key workers only!! Otherwise everybody would be sending their kids to school....

[quote StatisticalSense]@Thefab3
So it's unacceptable to suggest that some parents may have to give up work but completely acceptable to suggest that those working in hospitality should be made jobless?
When people are suggesting the employment of a small minority of parents should be sacrificed in order to keep a larger number of others in work they aren't doing it because of some imaginary grudge but rather because they believe the jobs of those in hospitality deserve just as much protection as any other and therefore it makes sense to take the course of action that takes the least number of people out of work.[/quote]
It's not just about working parents jobs - we're talking about the education of an entire generation.

Where are you getting a small minority of working parents ? I’m not in the Uk but all the parents in our school work.

Have you tried working from home and education your children at the same time @SueEllenMishke?
What ages are your children btw?

I'd be happy if they said schools were not to reopen yet. Mine are in High school, they can easily be educated online.

@SueEllenMishke
You could equally say that you think those in the hospitality and supporting industries should sacrifice their jobs so parents can go back to work. Neither option is particularly appealing but being a parent doesn't mean them being in work is more important and therefore the objective should be minimising the numbers taken out of work (whether this is because they are no longer able to work or because their job no longer exists and hasn't been replaced with another one). It is also untrue to suggest that no education can happen if schools aren't fully opened, as it should be more than possible to teach almost an entire timetable on line for all but the youngest children, and several countries that are equally successful on the education front do not start formal education until a later age suggesting the long term impact on the youngest children can be minimal if the right steps are taken in future years.

This might be an opportunity to take out the time filler lessons they dont really need. Such as Drama, Art, Welsh, PE, etc and just concentrate on the more important subjects.

@Thefab3
Small minority in the sense that most parents will be able to continue to work if they so chose, even if that has to be during different hours to what they have historically done so.