Lockdowns will not work now.

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The longer this goes on, the less people are going to abide by the "rules". Our lives and freedom have been taken away from us. Now we are getting back some, only for them to be snatched away. Our children education is ruined. Lockdowns only delay the inevitable. Instead of furlough, bike schemes etc, the government should have been ploughing all that money into recruiting nurses, doctors, carers, building even more temp hospitals to deal with the pandemic. Until the vaccine is ready (assuming the trials are successful) the virus is going nowhere no matter how many ridiculous rules we are told to abide by. Life has to go on for the majority, and yes this means sadly more deaths.

A virus grows exponentially if left unchecked. You cannot recruit exponentially greater amounts of doctors to cope with this.

Maybe instead of ranting, you should do some reading.

Children's Eduction isn't ruined

Personal freedom being curtailed to prevent the spread of a virus makes sense, sensible people did & will comply. Hopefully that'll be enough to make up for the idiots that don't & just mawh mawh on about their 'rights'🙇🏻‍♀️

You don't think a year 10 whose not been taught for over 7 months hasn't had their GCSE chances screwed?

Your the one with your head in the sand. Say there is never a vaccine or effective treatment. You think life should be like this shitfest?

Well it's no good carrying on as normal and catching it. That's surely herd immunity. They have agreed that would cause too much death. Even people who don't die have long term side effects. What if it starts making kids really sick. Teachers will be so anxious and drop like flies too.

That said I'm also sad for our children. I'm sad for their education. I'm sad their lives have been put on hold like this and they can't just enjoy the world around them.

Our local highstreet has shut 4 well known shops for good this week. It's literally finished off the high street... How can you choose between putting everyone at risk or getting back to normal.

Also mental health is so badly affected. So many like me are anxious now and are struggling. When they decided masks were needed I felt even less interested in going out. I don't want to walk around garden centers and shops with my face covered. I want to smile at people. I want my kids to see normal faces. It just puts me off. So I dont see me going out much now until we know what's happening.

As far as I can see cases are rising.... So if we carry on it will be everywhere and out of control.

People are gathering in parks and cafes and everywhere now. I get it, I really do. But the more people stay home the sooner it will improve. But then again if they don't go out businesses won't cope..

In my opinion the same number of people will eventually die except stretched out over a longer period. But with a totally fucked economy and high number of suicides, and the biggest and longest recession known to man. Worth it?

You do realise that doctors and nurses need lengthy training don't you?

It's not like they can do an online afternoon course so I'm not sure how that would actually work.

Actually I've abided by all the restrictions and I will continue to do so for however long is needed.

Why hasn't the 10 year old been taught in 7 months? Why weren't they in school in January, February and 3 weeks of March?

Well they won't it they get a vqccine/ or medicines that treat it over the next year. It's about being sensible. It's alright going outside. But thousands of teachers are pregnant or have asthma and things. Five at my child's school are pregnant. So it's going to be an issue allover the country.

I don't have an answer because it sucks either way. But I think ultimately it's protecting lives that should win. I think the best way is part time everything for a while. But it won't be done.

Where exactly would you recruit doctors and nurses from? I don't think you're thought that through.

@ohthegoat it will be approx 7 months by Sept.

@ohthegoats

Why hasn't the 10 year old been taught in 7 months? Why weren't they in school in January, February and 3 weeks of March?

This.

End of March to end of July is 4 months. Take off 4 weeks holiday and it's actually about 14 weeks.

On well that's absolutely fine then .No problem. Your a teacher then

The only part of your post I agree with, OP, is about the people not obeying the rules!!

it will be approx 7 months by Sept

No it wont. It'll be 23 weeks. Take away the 9 weeks of that time which would have been holiday anyway, and you're at 14 weeks. If we're rounding to months, then it's more like 3 and a half. You're worrying yourself about something not worth worrying about.

I do however agree with your title (which is why I opened the thread) - it's going to be a struggle to get anyone to follow more lockdown instructions at this point.

Op you say in your opinion the same number of people will die anyway except stretched over a longer period...have you seen the excess deaths? England has the highest in Europe!

Arguably the weak and vulnerable have died first but if this virus is left unchecked who will be next...more younger, fitter people dying or left with disabilities.

For the time being this is the “New” normal: local lockdowns, restrictions on our freedoms,masks etc

I'm not a teacher no. I'm just able to consider other people and what it will be like for them....

I am worried we have prolonged the inevitable and have just launched it into winter/flu season

Your assertion that the same number of people will die only over a longer time is probably not far wrong (unless a vaccine happens very soon). Unfortunately I think your management of letting it run fast is flawed - you can’t just recruit doctors, nurses etc and the temporary hospitals turned out not to be very suitable (as well as unnecessary) so the healthcare would have been horrific AND there would still have been economic breakdown, closed schools etc as a large chunk of people tried to avoid catching it, or caught it and were off sick.

Children have missed 20 week face to face schooling. Not seven months. And many have had on-line schooling every day.

You can’t recruit drs and nurses off the street, they need to be trained for years. And the nightingale hospitals we have didn’t get used to anywhere near capacity so I don’t see the benefit of more.

Let’s not over-dramatise this. Our lives and freedoms have not been taken away from us. They were curtailed for a short time to reduce cross infection. No-one has been jailed for going to see their nan. Local lockdowns for a couple of weeks are hardly a major problem.

I, like many, have been made redundant and face a difficult autumn but that is better than 650,000 deaths which was a realistic possibility without lockdown. Hospitals have not been overwhelmed, and most of the people I know continue to work from home or go to work carefully, limit their socialising and act responsibly.

Is it so hard to calmly keep your social life low-key until next spring?

@Jrobhatch29

Yeah I agree. It's the worst time to be putting all kids back into schools. September and the back to school bugs.

Plus kids will be doing things at the weekends and going out mixing. Take it into school. So each class will have problems regardless of not mixing with other kids.

Everything is cutting corners though. My DD swim lessons start again on September but they said the teachers can't go in the water. What use is that to level one children who can swim. It's all about the money and the service you get is reduced. That's the case everywhere. But they are still aiming for it all in autumn which is even more stupid!

Can't swim!

In my opinion the same number of people will eventually die except stretched out over a longer period. But with a totally fucked economy and high number of suicides, and the biggest and longest recession known to man. Worth it?
This.

My son was really ill (reactive arthritis) and missed a 10 days in one term a couple of years ago. I automatically got a letter saying that his attendance had fallen below the 90 % (or whatever it was) and how studies have shown even missing 2 or 3 days a term can have an adverse effect on their education.
But hey, months and months is just fine. Great. Fab!

I agree with you OP on the point that constant lockdowns will become less and less effective as people become more and more pissed off with their freedom being curtailed for something that, for the vast majority, is either asymptomatic or a very mild illness. We have to learn to live with this virus until we have a vaccine. That means SD, mask wearing, hand washing, temp checks and easy access to testing in workplaces, schools, airports, etc.

Where you think all these extra doctors and nurses are going to come from baffles me. Do you know how long it takes to qualify to become a doctor?

"Lockdowns only delay the inevitable"

What is the "inevitable"?

"In my opinion the same number of people will eventually die except stretched out over a longer period. But with a totally fucked economy and high number of suicides, and the biggest and longest recession known to man. Worth it?"

Well as it's only your opinion, based on memes you've read on social media it's unlikely to be true so 🤷🏽‍♀️

"It will be approx 7 months"

It won't.

"Instead of furlough, bike schemes etc, the government should have been ploughing all that money into recruiting nurses, doctors"

They shouldn't have paid furlough but instead recruited imaginary doctors. Really?! Your scheme would cause way more problems