Lockdowns will not work now.

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The longer this goes on, the less people are going to abide by the "rules". Our lives and freedom have been taken away from us. Now we are getting back some, only for them to be snatched away. Our children education is ruined. Lockdowns only delay the inevitable. Instead of furlough, bike schemes etc, the government should have been ploughing all that money into recruiting nurses, doctors, carers, building even more temp hospitals to deal with the pandemic. Until the vaccine is ready (assuming the trials are successful) the virus is going nowhere no matter how many ridiculous rules we are told to abide by. Life has to go on for the majority, and yes this means sadly more deaths.

To all intents and purposes, this is a war.

NO, it's not! How fucking insulting. It's not even a virus on par with one like Ebola.

How bloody dramatic. It's not 7 months ffs. What about school holidays?
I agree year 10s are most affected but little ones hace years to catch up.

"In my opinion the same number of people will eventually die except stretched out over a longer period. But with a totally fucked economy and high number of suicides, and the biggest and longest recession known to man. Worth it?"

I don't even know where to start explaining how fucking stupid this is.

You need to look at what is truly important in life and actually it’s not money, possessions or GCSE’s. We need to work with what we have been given, teach and show kindness, patience and help each other and when this time in our lives becomes history, have learned from it.

Well how do we keep a roof over our heads and food in our stomachs without money?

I'm sure showing kindness and patience in a supermarket is going to get me a trolley full of food and I'm sure the mortgage company will accept it as payment.

What it's a bit like is a natural disaster crossed with a war - the randomness of a natural disaster (something politics can't control or prevent), but the length of a war (it doesn't just happen all at once and then we spend however long recovering, rather it changes life a lot for some years - if we're lucky only one or two).

@PhilCornwall1

You need to look at what is truly important in life and actually it’s not money, possessions or GCSE’s. We need to work with what we have been given, teach and show kindness, patience and help each other and when this time in our lives becomes history, have learned from it.

Well how do we keep a roof over our heads and food in our stomachs without money?

I'm sure showing kindness and patience in a supermarket is going to get me a trolley full of food and I'm sure the mortgage company will accept it as payment.

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What a stupid post showing nothing but incredible ignorance and privilege. The two are not mutually exclusive, either.

I'm off to tell my mortgage company they need to learn understanding and kindness from all this so I won't be paying back my loan from them and see how that flies. Of course, learning maths helped me figure out things in life like interest times rate times principal and how to know if someone is ripping me off but it's not important, I know.

In my opinion the same number of people will eventually die except stretched out over a longer period.

Given that we all have to die, isn’t this just an absurd statement of the obvious?

@eeeyoresmiles

What it's a bit like is a natural disaster crossed with a war - the randomness of a natural disaster (something politics can't control or prevent), but the length of a war (it doesn't just happen all at once and then we spend however long recovering, rather it changes life a lot for some years - if we're lucky only one or two).

Hope you never have to live in a place where a real war breaks out.

Instead of going on about bloody masks and social distancing, get yourself in a position where you are confident that if you get the virus you will be fine. It is not deadly in any way to people who have a good immune system.

That’s a good point! One small problem.... we haven’t developed a time machine yet to transport everyone over 60 back into their 20s.

Also, what do you suggest that the 40-something I spoke to earlier with an auto-immune disease do to boost their immune system?

Hope you never have to live in a place where a real war breaks out.

Are you really incapable of distinguishing between 'a bit like' and 'exactly the same as a war for everyone going through it'? They have things in common, that's not saying they're exactly the same.

@eeeyoresmiles

Hope you never have to live in a place where a real war breaks out.

Are you really incapable of distinguishing between 'a bit like' and 'exactly the same as a war for everyone going through it'? They have things in common, that's not saying they're exactly the same.

They're not even 'a bit like'. Fucking hell, this place reeks of privilege.

This is nothing like a war, unless you think dying of boredom equates to dying with a bullet in your head. Quite honestly, the comment is offensive and I'm sick of seeing it. Perhaps watch 'Once Upon a Time in Iraq', which is excellent and will show you the reality of war.

I'd really love to hear a more pro-active line from the government. All this gradual re-opening and then panicking and shutting everything again is fucking stupid IMO, it's not sustainable if they want the economy to pick up, and the message they're sending is that the only way for us to live right now is in a state of near fear.

Who the hell will want to book a holiday if they know they could be locked down or quarantined with no notice? How will businesses turn a profit if they're not allowed to demonstrate how safely they can operate? I'm thinking of the beauty industry here, which is FAR more prepared for hygiene, masks and SD than bloody pubs are. I don't think Jeremy Corbyn and his bunch of woke idiots would've done a better job, but I wish the fucking government would put some sensible women in charge.

My son was really ill (reactive arthritis) and missed a 10 days in one term a couple of years ago. I automatically got a letter saying that his attendance had fallen below the 90 % (or whatever it was) and how studies have shown even missing 2 or 3 days a term can have an adverse effect on their education.
But hey, months and months is just fine. Great. Fab

The difference is that all kids are pretty much in the same boat op.

@zafferana

This is nothing like a war, unless you think dying of boredom equates to dying with a bullet in your head. Quite honestly, the comment is offensive and I'm sick of seeing it. Perhaps watch 'Once Upon a Time in Iraq', which is excellent and will show you the reality of war.

I'd really love to hear a more pro-active line from the government. All this gradual re-opening and then panicking and shutting everything again is fucking stupid IMO, it's not sustainable if they want the economy to pick up, and the message they're sending is that the only way for us to live right now is in a state of near fear.

Who the hell will want to book a holiday if they know they could be locked down or quarantined with no notice? How will businesses turn a profit if they're not allowed to demonstrate how safely they can operate? I'm thinking of the beauty industry here, which is FAR more prepared for hygiene, masks and SD than bloody pubs are. I don't think Jeremy Corbyn and his bunch of woke idiots would've done a better job, but I wish the fucking government would put some sensible women in charge.

It is like a war in that it is not a one off event that's quickly over (although I think some people are very much in denial about that even now). In terms of 'disastrous things that can happen to a country that temporarily change civilian life', it is more like a war than it is like, say, an earthquake. But it's more like an earthquake than a war in other ways (duh) as it clearly is not the same as a war.

How do you go through life never being able to see the similarities between things unless you can precisely equate them in every respect?

The difference is that all kids are pretty much in the same boat op.

I'm not so sure they are unfortunately. There will have been parents with money in their pockets who have been making sure their children are tutored throughout. Equally they probably have access to lots of resources at home which are enriching. The gap between the two groups, poor and rich, will be wider than it already was. It is already known that the virus and lockdown will have a lifelong impact on the poorest children in terms of their earning potential. This is definitely not being felt equally.

Lockdowns are only delaying the inevitable if you believe a vaccine won’t be developed and that treatments won’t improve.

Yes.

Instead of going on about bloody masks and social distancing, get yourself in a position where you are confident that if you get the virus you will be fine. It is not deadly in any way to people who have a good immune system.

I can't even. Five minutes on Mumsnet is enough to make a democratic society seem pointless. However for we end up being the dominant species?

do wonder why so few people in the UK (mainly England) realise how badly the country is doing compared to the rest of Europe. Most countries (including Spain) have managed to get their daily deaths down to tiny figures, yet it's not unusual to see the UK report over 100 deaths per day, even in July.Why isn't this news?

Because people are surprisingly dim?

That's like saying that getting shot is not deadly in anyway to people who are able to dodge bullets.

So. Fucking. Idiotic.

@uniglowooljumper

Oh ffs. Is "privilege" the new buzz word now. It's replaced "me too"

Stop the fucking world, I'm getting off.

I think we just have to accept that no matter what we do there will be huge effects on our lives. Recession will happen, and people have to adjust. Job's will be lists, meeting payments will be almost impossible. Only the individual can take action to minimise the impact, if that means downsizing your life, so be it. There's no alternative, no amount of railing against it will change it.

I'm surprised that it's taking so long for people to understand this.

This is it and we're stuck with it for now, do what you can to minimise the impact on you and your kids and buckle up for the ride.

job's will be lost

Instead of going on about bloody masks and social distancing, get yourself in a position where you are confident that if you get the virus you will be fine. It is not deadly in any way to people who have a good immune system.

just nipping off to pass in your advice to my OH who has cancer.

what shiite

Those that wish to remain cautious to protect themselves will continue to do so.

Those that don't want to be cautious have been taking risks for quite a while regardless of advice. I think we just need to let them get on with getting the herd immunity up for the rest of us.

Sweden with its very loose voluntary lockdown/social restrictions seems to now be being able to keep cases really quite low. Perhaps it only takes a few months of those willing to catch it carrying on as normal to get to a plateau.

Instead of going on about bloody masks and social distancing, get yourself in a position where you are confident that if you get the virus you will be fine. It is not deadly in any way to people who have a good immune system.

What like this extremely fit person (RIP)
www.runnersworld.com/news/a32141921/olympic-runner-dies-of-coronavirus-donato-sabia-italy/
or
www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a32077966/tributes-paid-to-marathon-runner-coronavirus/
or
www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/super-fit-ultra-marathon-runner-21851516

I could go on endlessly....

And what about people with chronic conditions which make it difficult to improve their fitness? Or lifelong disabilities (you know, that they were born with)?

What about people who were very fit but still got cancer and are now immunosuppressed due to chemotherapy?

The point of social distancing and masks is to help protect those people who are valuable and loved and who have families just like everyone else.

Some people are so callous it's unbelievable.