Will people returning from Spain actually bother with full quarantine?

[Boogiewoogiebugleboy]

In my personal opinion I think many will not. ( I know one for sure who has no plans to) How is it even monitored apart from through random spot checks? There are also many caveats such as “ you can go out for shopping, medicine, legal meetings, etc” which would make it relatively easy for people. Will the government be reliant upon the unpleasant snitching culture we seem to be fostering?

How are all the people who couldn’t possibly get food delivered going to cope if they’re contacted by track and trace or some one in their household tests positive? We’ve had plenty of notice now that two weeks of self isolation could start at any time so it’s best to have food in just in case.

@MRex I don't really know to be honest. I have to travel for work so I'm supposed to go to work but not travel?

@runbummyrun If you have to travel to Spain for work and video-conferencing really won't do, then you'll just need to quarantine. It's unfortunate, but surely better than infecting lots of people in your daily life. Maybe try to just travel less often?

Yes as simple as that @MRex ...

Bet they change the rules again thou, already looks like it's now 10 days. I came back Friday and literally escaped the 14 day quarantine by hours. So I'm probably infecting murdering a few people right now.

My son went to Tenerife 2 weeks ago, he’s been very well since back, he had a great time, he had a test yesterday to make sure he hasn’t got it, it came back negative, so I don’t think he’s been murdering anyone, he’s working from home anyway, not going anywhere apart from the supermarket.

I honestly think the government should just scrap holidays.

I have a holiday booked in October which I’m not sure about but also because surely our school will be riddled when everybody has been away over half term!

We had already decided to stay at home for the remainder of half term (prep so 2 weeks but prep = mass exodus out of the country!)

I don’t think anybody should be going anywhere, I am getting concerned about schools opening

I agree Krabby. We need to have the bare minimum coming in and out so truly essential travel only and followed by quarantine with no exceptions.

Not Spain, but we've just got back from holiday. We were checked on arrival that we had completed our forms and a large number of people on our flight were made to do them before they could go through passport control. I can't speak for everyone but we fully intend to quarantine for the full 14 days. We don't expect to be checked upon but we went away knowing that we would have to quarantine so we will do it.

I think many people would ask themselves the question "would Dominic Cummings break the quarantine rule if he felt like it ?"

Anecdotally, I know of someone who returned from a country that wasn’t exempt from the quarantine rules, didn’t bother to isolate, was visited by the police following a tip off and wasn’t fined. Absolutely no consequences. If people aren’t being fined for breaking the quarantine rules what exactly is the deterrent??

Surely part of the issue there might have been the police were called and told "I saw so and so leave their house". Police go round, person is in the house and could say "nope, didn't leave, I've been here the whole time." The police don't really have the resources to go around trying to prove it one way or the other do they?

Name changed but no, I'm coming to England this week from Spain and have no intention of quarantining.

For the following reasons

1. Sailed to uk a month ago in sealed cabin on ship. Had to quarantine on arrival (staying with family) as was during the first quarantine. Nobody checked.
2. Flew back to Spain for work and had to take a covid test before being allowed to work (test negative)
3. Have been nowhere apart from own office and home, both alone. Walking to and from.
4. As per Spanish law have been wearing a mask at all times, outdoor or indoor etc.
5. There are fewer cases in my area than in many parts of uk.
6. I believe it to be a purely political decision as there are other places with more cases (Luxembourg) still on safe travel list
7. CUMMINGS
8. The people I'm staying with agree with the above points. I'd do it if they asked me to.

I think many people would ask themselves the question "would Dominic Cummings break the quarantine rule if he felt like it ?"

^^ This. After all, it is fine to travel if you if you suspect you may have a childcare need at some point, even if you have Covid-19 symptoms. Plus of course, if you want to test your vision, you are fine to drive to a popular tourist location, with your children and partner, and get out and have a walk around when you're there. Especially if it's your partner's birthday.

I don’t get the desire to holiday abroad at the moment.

Why not stay in England, pump your money back into our desperate economy and look forward to a foreign holiday next year?

I understand not all foreign travel is holiday and that people need to travel abroad for work.

I know. That's why I think travel to Spain is now just a no. BoJo knows this will risk the second wave.

I should add that although I won't be quarantining, I'm just coming to collect some essential things from storage and my car before returning to Spain, not going shopping or into a workplace.

How does Cummings come into it?

Yes he's an arse but surely you're doing it not to follow the rules but because you dont want to infect everyone?

Because all my other reasons show why I think anyone who interacts with me whilst on the uk is less likely to catch it from me then they are from anyone in the town I'm staying in (which has a higher number than my Spanish town), and the Cummings situation had the rule makers allowing and supporting Cummings to use his common sense to interpret the rules to his individual situation.

Consider a visitor from Catalonia hotspot traveling by plain vs a rural visitor traveling by private van. If one rule doesn't fit all applies to government advisors (who were confirmed covid positive ffs!) then it won't for me, I can't even vote there. It's common sense, which seems to have been the first victim of this virus.

I guess many who were caught unawares by the quarantine so maybe hadn't got supplies in will just call into the supermarket on their way home as there is no restriction as to how you get home from the airport. Quarantine seems to start when you arrive at your quarantine destination which is a bit ridiculous really. In fact you could pop home then go on another holiday apparently according to the small print.

If you do certain jobs you are exempt anyway, I guess this virus is career specific.

If you do certain jobs you are exempt anyway, I guess this virus is career specific.

Nope, it's down to a cost vs benefit to the nation calculation..

The thinking is that the exemptions carry a risk to the general population but without people continuing to perform certain jobs without quarantine restrictions ( typically logistics & transport, some aspects healthcare, power/water supply, the list goes on..) there would be shortages of for example either material, expertise or utilities problems that would pose an even greater risk to the population.

@OverTheRainbow88

I don’t get the desire to holiday abroad at the moment.

Why not stay in England, pump your money back into our desperate economy and look forward to a foreign holiday next year?

I understand not all foreign travel is holiday and that people need to travel abroad for work.

People feel an incredibly strong sense of entitlement to flying abroad. And who can blame them? For the past few decades it’s been a virtually unregulated and often cheap activity.

They will say things like ‘DC and I had a gruelling few months, it’s our right to relax and holiday abroad’. Of course they ignore far more fundamental rights, like children’s right to an education, which will come under threat if imported cases become an issue.

I got back from Spain on Sunday and I am and will continue to quarantine. It helps that I work from home and my husband is currently furloughed. I holidayed in an area with very low cases and stayed in a private family villa but I will still follow the rules even though I have probably had no more chance of contacting the virus than people who are using public transport for work everyday. It’s completely pointless though as I currently live my parents and they can come and go as they please.

I understand you are allowed to make your own way home from the airport & then quarantine?
I could fly in to Heathrow, get on 2 tubes, a train & a bus to get home all quite legally, but not go to work in an office that has 1 other person sitting in a separate room. The journey home would bring me in to contact with more people in 90 minutes than I would encounter in my office over about 2 years!
I would quarantine but it really is all a bit of a nonsense

I imagine those that want to ensure schools can open in September will adhere to it but not sure about the rest.

I understand you are allowed to make your own way home from the airport & then quarantine?

Yep, that's the UK version of quarantine........from the UK gov guidance:

"When you arrive in the UK, go straight to the place you’re staying.
Only use public transport if you have no other option."