Will people returning from Spain actually bother with full quarantine?

[Boogiewoogiebugleboy]

In my personal opinion I think many will not. ( I know one for sure who has no plans to) How is it even monitored apart from through random spot checks? There are also many caveats such as “ you can go out for shopping, medicine, legal meetings, etc” which would make it relatively easy for people. Will the government be reliant upon the unpleasant snitching culture we seem to be fostering?

For a fast forward view of what will happen, look at Australia in April/May. We required returning citizens to self quarantine at home for two weeks with random checks by police, fines if you were caught.
Well, it failed spectacularly as around 20% of people ignored it. In fact, some people disappeared & have never been located after giving false information. That's why it changed & arrivals are ferried to a hotel, with security, for two weeks. Some people still managed to find ways out & have been busted at the shops.

Most people do the right thing. It's the buggers who don't that cause the problem. the same attitude is causing Melbourne & Sydney's spike now & they're trying to sneak across the border into QLD, where we're currently almost Covid free.

The vast majority wont, imo.
I know of 2 households who have finished quarintine after a flight home. One family have facebook evidence of being at a party 3 days after landing. Third household just starting quarintine.

If the uk gov want it enforced, it needs to be in quarantine hotels or similar where people can be prevented from leaving. Asking people to stay at home- and maybe calling a mobile number to check where they are is pretty pointless.

I think people who can wfh or get paid leave will give it lip service, but I doubt they'll all stay at home 24/7. I think those who need to go to work to get paid will go if their employer allows it and I think many employers will want them in work more than they want them to isolate.

The people in Spain are by definition, the ones who don't think this thing is a major concern, or they wouldn't have gone.

Considered my Facebook page is full of people who aren’t following the current rules. I can’t imagine people who have chosen to go on holiday in the middle of a pandemic are people who will be too worried about the risk of corona virus.

@Boogiewoogiebugleboy

I wonder if those taking so much time and care to log, track and report movements of friends and neighbours would be happy to swap that time to offer to pick up a few essentials for them whilst doing their shop?

I wonder if those flouting rules and potentially putting others at risk would do the same after working in a covid ward / have experienced a family death or illness or been ill from the virus themselves. Probably not because the 'I do what I like' ilk are always inconsiderate of their actions to others.

I expect 80% will follow the rules, which is enough to keep cases down. I would report anyone I knew breaching quarantine rules, because they're putting everyone in the community's health at risk. As others have pointed out, the intention is to stop lots of people travelling to Spain and that much will work.

If people know nobody locally then they can (as they always could) ask their local council for help using the coronavirus support forms, or contact a local support group, list here: covidmutualaid.org/local-groups/.

Well, it failed spectacularly as around 20% of people ignored it.

80% of compliance is acceptable, even if 20% irresponsible people won't comply.

It's better than having no rule and 100% people having nothing to comply with.

@torquewench

I fully intend to quarantine for the full 2 weeks when I return from Spain tomorrow.

Somewhat ironically however there have been far more cases in my English home area than in the Spanish one where Im currently staying ...

Whilst staying in my friends Spanish villa I've effectively self isolated here, only been to supermarket twice over the course of a week. Worn a mask (in 30 degs heat 🥵), sanitised hands, supermarket trolley, etc. Came here to make sure house/pool etc. is ok after being vacant since last year.

We're in a residential area (as opposed to a holiday resort) where theres been 4 cases reported in recently.

It does sound like you are very unlikely to have contracted covid during your holiday. Unfortunately all the people on the plane with you coming home are unlikely to be as low risk as you. Hence the need to quarantine. I hope your 2 weeks quarantine passing quickly for you. I wish everyone was going to be a diligent as you.

I doubt it. Just like many refuse to wear masks, don’t SD and don’t follow the guidelines re visitors, group meetings etc. It’s made me reevaluate some colleagues and friends as has highlighted the selfish side in people.

Employers should be able to dismiss people if they try to return to work to protect the other staff. Fines should be large and enforceable. Remove driving licences etc.

Or just stop holidays then less people travelling so less transmission between countries.

Australian-style user pays £2000 quarantine detention centres are the only way to make it happen.

People are going to go straight out to the pub.

It's pointless

I dont think most people will quarantine in the true sense, no.
What if they cant get food delivered? And they dont have someone to get food on their behalf?
No one thinks it'll happen to them.

It's not possible to quarantine people returning from Spain in hotels or similar- there are undress of thousands of them! It's just not possible.

Not is it possible to strictly enforce or police the quarantine requirements. Even if we had a better set up police system, it would still not be possible. Admittedly we could improve on the current arrangement but absolutely enforcement isn't possible.

So, we have to either trust people to do the right thing. Or remove their entitlement to travel. Sadly, I think the latter is the only option as too many people don't do as they should.

If most people did as they should from the start and our borders were closed for all but compassionate reasons we would be in control of the virus by now. However, too many people have done whatever they like and so it rolls steadily on- a by product of our own selfishness.

Zero chance of my exH quarantining on his return from Spain as he has not been observing any of the restrictions to date anyway.

3 - is there still community help now?

Yes. Look on Facebook and other local hubs. There are various charities and other voluntary organisations who continue to help,a lot. If, once you have looked locally, you're still stuck, ask on MN as there are several families who have had to live thus kind of isolation for months and are quite clued up about where to find help (some are non-obvious).

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

I doubt it. Just like many refuse to wear masks, don’t SD and don’t follow the guidelines re visitors, group meetings etc. It’s made me reevaluate some colleagues and friends as has highlighted the selfish side in people.

Employers should be able to dismiss people if they try to return to work to protect the other staff. Fines should be large and enforceable. Remove driving licences etc.

Or just stop holidays then less people travelling so less transmission between countries.

This is the thing. If the government want to go ahead with holidays and open borders then they have to be willing to properly enforce quarantines where required. Otherwise scrap holidays.

I'm coming back later today and am not allowed too work and will stay in most of the time. The only thing I was thinking of doing was a 5am run every morning, I can't see the harm. I won't be near anyone and I wont touch anything.

I'm in a private appartment and I'm coming back from an area where there are no cases, whereas friends who returned home sunday from Barcelona (where cases are high) and are going about their lives

Had a few mates coming in from countries not on the safe list. No one is checking on them.

What if they cant get food delivered? And they dont have someone to get food on their behalf?

In those circumstances going out and getting food is allowed.

Forrm UK gov website:

"In England, you can only leave your accommodation in limited circumstances. These include where:

you need urgent medical assistance (or where your doctor has advised you to get medical assistance)
you need access to basic necessities like food and medicines, but only in exceptional circumstances such as where you cannot arrange for these to be delivered
you need to access critical public services such as social services and victim support services, but only in exceptional circumstances
you need to go to the funeral of a family member of someone you live with
you need to visit a dying or critically ill family member or someone you live with
you need to fulfil a legal obligation such as participate in legal proceedings
there’s an emergency"

Full details here:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

Well I went into the Covid reporting line for the met police earlier - not to report but as a result of another thread. Here is what it said about reporting suspected breaches -
Only report something if you think there is a serious breach of the rules like a large gathering of people obviously from lots of different households.
Mother was more and different forces may have differing reporting thresholds.
So I wouldn’t be able to report anyone even if I wanted to !

There, not ‘mother’

I assume the reason they’ve hit the ‘no travel unless essential’ button is because they know a chunk of people won’t quarantine so they have to try and stop people going in the first place.

Yet front page news is time to get tough with getting people back to work.

The ENTIRE contradiction of this whole thing is why I can't take it seriously.

Updated news is it could be 10 days ... changing their minds hourly ..... it's a joke.

(Disclaimer I just read the daily mail 🤦🏼‍♀️)

@runbummyrun - What do you think is contradictory about trying to keep down imported cases so that cases stay low and people get back to work? Do you not think there is any connection between cases and work?

I doubt it. Just like many refuse to wear masks, don’t SD and don’t follow the guidelines re visitors, group meetings etc. It’s made me reevaluate some colleagues and friends as has highlighted the selfish side in people.

Most people do broadly follow the rules - 99% seem to be wearing masks in most places in England (though there are some anomalies) - through people will be less likely to do so if they see no reason to do so and they can get away with it... which I imagine would especially apply to those returning from the Balearics and Canaries where cases are really low.