Will people returning from Spain actually bother with full quarantine?

[Boogiewoogiebugleboy]

In my personal opinion I think many will not. ( I know one for sure who has no plans to) How is it even monitored apart from through random spot checks? There are also many caveats such as “ you can go out for shopping, medicine, legal meetings, etc” which would make it relatively easy for people. Will the government be reliant upon the unpleasant snitching culture we seem to be fostering?

@WhattheHhashappened - delivery slots hear are booked up weeks in advance. Probably those people who reserve slots with their £40 minimum taking them all! People can be incredibly unhelpful. Not everyone has people they can ask you know.

Of course they wont.

It also raises the question of what does someone do if theyve just been to Spain and then develop symptoms?

Do they go for a test and risk a potential fine or do they carry on in the hope they dont get caught dodging quarantine?

I think we know the answer, and that in itself could create bigger issues than no quarantine.

In reality the quarantine issue is about deterring people from going to Spain in the first place rather than relying on quarantine to stop the spread.

*here

If anyone doesn’t then they are a selfish b*d as far as I am concerned.

I agree with this.

I will say though that the govt making this announcement and starting implementation immediately is not at all the way they've dealt with Covid otherwise (announcing a new measure and saying it'll come into practice in two weeks' time has been more their style, for whatever reason). Giving people next to no notice is going to have screwed up a lot of people's plans to go on holiday and then come back and go straight back to work/visit people etc.

My son returned from Portugal yesterday. He can work from home and I have made sure he has full cupboards for his return. However, when he landed in England he wasn't asked to fill in any form in person or online to give contact details of where he'll be isolating despite the government website saying this. He's adhering to the isolation rules but if procedures aren't happening as stated people will be less inclined to follow the rules.

@Family143 that’s really good you’ve filled his cupboards. Sadly there are many who won’t have that luxury. I know my MIL wouldn’t do this for me and I wouldn’t feel comfortable asking friends for a large shop

The main problem is that it is self-isolation not quarantine. Like the pp who mentioned her DH was properly quarantined on entry to China. That is what we need, quarantine centres where you are made to stay for the duration on your return.

I just heard on the travel expert on the TV saying you can just go and get a flight to another country rather than quarantine here. So you can come back home then the next day, fly to France or Italy and not have to quarantine there. It seems ridiculous.

No I think the people who are still insistent on travelling to Spain will not quarantine when home.

I am part of a large holiday group on FB and I can't believe the amount of idiots prepared to travel without valid insurance and they find it funny.

I don't understand their mentality. Thankfully they seem to be in the minority.

Shielding pauses on Saturday.

Shielding households lived under quarantine type restrictions for 15 weeks, and daily outdoors exercise was added in the last 3 weeks (plus limited bubbles)

Our medical vulnerability hasn't gone away. We depend on people by and large doing the right thing and transmissionrates being very low. If there is widespread ignoring of quarantine requirements, we are really, really stuffed.

That's 90,000 children and 2.5m people (all ages) in total

Obviously society isn't going to stop completely because some people need to be more cautious. But effectively halting the chance (after four and a half months of strict isolation) to have to enjoy the summer a bit, by ignoring infection control measures, is very unfair.

Boogiewoogiebugleboy "Will the government be reliant upon the unpleasant snitching culture we seem to be fostering?" Partly the government will be relying on people being mature adults. Clearly that's not going to be everyone as we've seen from these threads, but most people.

What interests me is will some come back and say to family/friends... "oh well statistically we might be infected, but I'm coming round on Friday anyway cos I don't really give a shit about you and the kids"

Who would want to keep a friend like that?

I'll do it, i don't agree with it (i'm going to Majorca, booked back in Jan, can't cancel unless the FCO advised against travel there) but i will do it as i have stuck to all other rules throughout this.
We'll fill the cupboards and freezer before we go then will do online shops for fresh bits when we can get a slot, if we struggle then we'll survive on frozen and tinned stuff.
Thankfully we are WFH so not impacted that way, though i am sad our daughter will miss her last 2 week at nursery before starting school.

@WhattheHhashappened - delivery slots hear are booked up weeks in advance. Probably those people who reserve slots with their £40 minimum taking them all! People can be incredibly unhelpful. Not everyone has people they can ask you know.

Yeh, I’m guessing there will be very few people returning from holiday in the next few weeks with:

1. No family or friends nearby
2. in an area with long waits for food delivery
3. No access to community help
4. No means to pay for basic shopping and delivery
5. No access to the internet

People have been shielding and in complete isolation for months. Community groups are still working with many.
Supermarkets are still selling ready prepared food boxes next day delivery.
Takeaway delivery services are up and running and have been for months.

Can you make up of any other reason to justify people not shielding for a whole two weeks?
Or do you still think the poor souls are going to starve to death on their return?

I should say ‘going into quarantine’ rather than shielding. Shielding is a different thing.

I wonder if those taking so much time and care to log, track and report movements of friends and neighbours would be happy to swap that time to offer to pick up a few essentials for them whilst doing their shop

Well quite.

If they arrive back in the UK from holiday and find that they have no relatives or friends nearby who can drop stuff off, their internet has been disconnected or they have lost the capacity to order food on line I’m sure others would help out

It reads like you think this is unlikely. Not everyone has friends or relatives nearby and it was only last week that I could have obtained a Sainsburys delivery in my area. Remember also that there are people who have only found out about this once they've gone away, so they may not have any food at home. I would hope that going forward people would make sure they have a decent stock of food at home before they go away, although that doesn't solve the issue of perishables. I suppose you could stlll do click and collect as it's contact-free.

That is what we need, quarantine centres where you are made to stay for the duration on your return.

Imagine the uproar if this happened.
People can’t even cope with the prospect of not being able to nip to the supermarket for a couple of weeks let alone being sent to a quarantine centre!

Problem solved for anyone who think there is absolutely no way at all they would be able to get basic supplies for 2 weeks.
A quarantine centre.

*Yeh, I’m guessing there will be very few people returning from holiday in the next few weeks with:

1. No family or friends nearby
2. in an area with long waits for food delivery
3. No access to community help
4. No means to pay for basic shopping and delivery
5. No access to the interne*

1 is very likely. 2 was very likely for me until last week. 3 - is there still community help now? 4 how does this help if you can't go out? 5 how does this help if you can't get delivery slots?

This is a lot like the "everyone must have 10 emergency contacts for schools" argument and woe betide you if you don't.

Not. Everyone. Has. Family. Or. Friend. Who. Can. Help. In. An. Emergency.

@pontypridd

When people in the UK are failing to wear masks and social distance, cramming into pubs, staying with family and friends - the list goes on ... Nobody is following any rules anymore because there are none.

That's not true of everybody. I'm wearing a mask when I go in a shop, yes even just to pick up the paper. I am social distancing, haven't been in a pub, have visited family and friends but stayed outdoors and kept my distance.

There are rules. Some of us are still following them.

Not. Everyone. Has. Family. Or. Friend. Who. Can. Help. In. An. Emergency.

Me.

We have NOBODY (friends/family) within a 1hr drive from us.

We are not talking about infirm, I’ll or elderly people here. We’re talking about people returning from holiday.

Click and collect, community projects, next day food boxes from supermarkets- all available.
Can’t get a delivery slot? Click and collect is widely available. No contact.

I really feel for people who have a holiday to one of the islands booked and departing in the next few weeks.

If they decide not to go due to quarantine restrictions they've likely paid the balance in full so they're buggered as FCO advice not extending to their destination means they are unlikely to be able to claim the costs back.

The advice should be the same for all locations with a quarantine.

I fully intend to quarantine for the full 2 weeks when I return from Spain tomorrow.

Somewhat ironically however there have been far more cases in my English home area than in the Spanish one where Im currently staying ...

Whilst staying in my friends Spanish villa I've effectively self isolated here, only been to supermarket twice over the course of a week. Worn a mask (in 30 degs heat 🥵), sanitised hands, supermarket trolley, etc. Came here to make sure house/pool etc. is ok after being vacant since last year.

We're in a residential area (as opposed to a holiday resort) where theres been 4 cases reported in recently.

Probably not... !

Probably not. Already seen people saying they won't tell colleagues they've been abroad so they can get back to work

Responsible people will.

Selfish people will continue to just do whatever the hell they want and damn the consequences.

Sadly a lot of the people in the second category are the types who'll go traipsing off on foreign holidays in the middle of a pandemic without a care in the world. Those who will self-quarantine will be those who were either really desperate for a break after a tough time, emergency travel or booked ages ago and couldn't get their money back.

I know one group with no intention of isolating.
It’s selfish putting others at risk, but I know they are self absorbed.
I wouldn’t bother telling - for what? The £30 fine they will get? Meh. Oh and sure everyone has started their flying through France/Amsterdam/ Ireland chat again anyway