Lots of good news at the moment!

[FrugiFan]

www.bbc.com/news/health-53467022
A trial of a drug which could reduce ICU admission by 79%, and is already in use for other things so doesnt need human trials for side effects etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839
Promising news about one of the many vaccines in production.

Hospital admissions have not increased, more than 2 weeks after pubs and restaurants reopened.

Lots of reasons to think positive at the moment

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apa.15432

This is an interesting study from Stockholm that looked at hospitalisations in children over 2 months (march to may) whilst schools were open. A really low number were hospitalised - 63. But only 30 of them were admitted solely for covid.

"A total of 63 admitted children aged 0‐17 years tested positive for SARS‐CoV‐2 during the study period. Thirty had a primary COVID‐19 diagnosis, corresponding to 0.7% of all admissions due to COVID‐19 in the region. Fourteen children were admitted with another concurrent illness, and 19 children were incidentally found to be SARS‐CoV‐2‐positive, that is the reason for their admission was a non‐infectious cause. The cumulative incidence for hospitalisation with a non‐incidental diagnosis of COVID‐19 among children was nine per 100 000 children. This compares to 230/100 000 hospitalised and 99/100 000 deaths due to COVID‐19 among the adult population in Stockholm (n ≈ 1.84 million) during the same time period."

" Overall, our results point towards a low incidence of severe illness due to COVID‐19 among Swedish children, even though day‐care centres and primary schools remained open. This suggests that the Swedish strategy did not aggravate the course of the pandemic for children in Sweden, when it is compared to countries with stricter lockdown measures."

love you guys xx

Love this thread, thank you all 😊

Re that Daily Mail Oxford Vaccine article and the like, I've seen plenty of stories that the press and tv news constantly regurgitate. Stories listed as "news" that on reading you realised you heard months ago with no new information included.

Basically, Covid 19 is still the only story in town so there's not that much new in a world that demands 24 news 7 days a week from competing sources.

So many things have a maybe/possibly element still.

Thanks for that post @pandafunfactory
Someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
Those other threads are utterly ridiculous. The same old posters with the same self centered agenda.

Absolutely agree @Delta1
I posted this a couple of weeks ago. We were routinely testing all children in London hospitals, this has now stopped unless having a GA/admission. The infection rates were vv low this includes immune suppressed/ vulnerable groups.

if the majority do what’s needed, distancing, wearing masks, hand washing etc surely that should make a difference..

But that's not going to happen in schools is it @Pomegranatepompom?

How is distancing going to happen in crowded secondary schools - or primary come to that? And masks ...

@pontypridd

if the majority do what’s needed, distancing, wearing masks, hand washing etc surely that should make a difference..

But that's not going to happen in schools is it @Pomegranatepompom?

How is distancing going to happen in crowded secondary schools - or primary come to that? And masks ...

Please dont turn this thread into another argumentative school thread. It's nice here.

I’m not getting into argument about schools. But distancing where possible can only have a positive effect on overall infections.

Anyone seen any more info about the rapid turn around tests they were rolling out this week? Or is it too early to tell? What I mean is are they happening? Government seems to have form for announcing stuff and then it goes quiet.

Hoping they were going to announce they would be using them more & more!

Did anyone see the the paediatric ID consultant on the news last night who spoke about low transmission in children? I will see if I can find a link.

@Pomegranatepompom

Did anyone see the the paediatric ID consultant on the news last night who spoke about low transmission in children? I will see if I can find a link.

Was it on BBC? I think I did.

Or might have been sky 🤣 anyway i saw something

I can’t remember exactly what he said 🤣 but it was positive

Pillar 1 cases have fallen 85% since june

Does anyone know the statistics for the infections leading to death ratio - compared to earlier in the year. Or is that Pillar one (excuse my ignorance). X

@pandafunfactory
I recently had my baby in hospital and have to say I went in expecting stressed and anxious midwives and was pleasantly surprised to find that simply wasn't the case! The other mums on the other hand 🤦‍♀️
Our NHS staff have truly shown how amazing they (you!) are!
Thank you for carrying on in the face of the unknown and all while dealing with peoples shitty attitudes regarding things you can't personally change!

@Pomegranatepompom that is interesting regarding the testing. Have you stopped for everyone under 18, and at what age do you start (16? 18?)

[quote Mommabear20]@pandafunfactory
I recently had my baby in hospital and have to say I went in expecting stressed and anxious midwives and was pleasantly surprised to find that simply wasn't the case! The other mums on the other hand 🤦‍♀️
Our NHS staff have truly shown how amazing they (you!) are!
Thank you for carrying on in the face of the unknown and all while dealing with peoples shitty attitudes regarding things you can't personally change! [/quote]
I had a baby in may too. I was terrified of going to hospital but they were fab. No stress at all and midwives so attentive.

Congratulations xxx

@herecomesthsun up to 18 but ages 16 and above would be a small percentage.
Without outing myself, I work in an area of very vulnerable children, we have not had 1 patient covid +ve and our service continued as normal throughout with admissions, outpatient appointments/ investigations and procedures in theatre. We also tested routinely an adult population - also no positivity.
We did have positivity in staff (maximum number of staffing positive or with symptoms or shielding was 14%, it’s now 1% and that includes covid wards). Some staff were quite ill, there were 2 deaths in the trust which we all found very difficult, but pretty much everyone continued to work despite the emotion and stress deaths were connected to high viral exposure.
I appreciate my experience does not fit with the narrative that some want, I await my post to be pulled to shreds.
People have done amazing thing s (not just the nhs) it’s a shame the negativity/ agendas appear to take centre stage on here.

The deaths were staff members.

I like in a very busy holiday destination SE and we haven't had a spike despite a huge rise in visitors coming down and difficulty SD for the last month or so.....

@Pomegranatepompom

Thanks for sharing a very positive post and thanks for the hard work you all do.

"Pomegranatepompom Wed 12-Aug-20 18:26:15
@herecomesthsun up to 18 but ages 16 and above would be a small percentage.
Without outing myself, I work in an area of very vulnerable children, we have not had 1 patient covid +ve and our service continued as normal throughout with admissions, outpatient appointments/ investigations and procedures in theatre. We also tested routinely an adult population - also no positivity.
We did have positivity in staff (maximum number of staffing positive or with symptoms or shielding was 14%, it’s now 1% and that includes covid wards). Some staff were quite ill, there were 2 deaths in the trust which we all found very difficult, but pretty much everyone continued to work despite the emotion and stress deaths were connected to high viral exposure.
I appreciate my experience does not fit with the narrative that some want, I await my post to be pulled to shreds.
People have done amazing thing s (not just the nhs) it’s a shame the negativity/ agendas appear to take centre stage on here."

Maybe not positive as it shows what a huge farce the PHE figures have been, but here are the daya after removing those who tested positive more than 28 days prior to death. (E.g. tested +ve for covid in March, died of a stroke in June)

Look how low the numbers are for the last 6 weeks or more with these removed.

@KitKatastrophe

Maybe not positive as it shows what a huge farce the PHE figures have been, but here are the daya after removing those who tested positive more than 28 days prior to death. (E.g. tested +ve for covid in March, died of a stroke in June)

Look how low the numbers are for the last 6 weeks or more with these removed.

I am so confused by the phe data tbh. I tried to understand it earlier...so they have removed over 5000 deaths? Its more than I thought it would be tbh.