Lots of good news at the moment!

[FrugiFan]

www.bbc.com/news/health-53467022
A trial of a drug which could reduce ICU admission by 79%, and is already in use for other things so doesnt need human trials for side effects etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839
Promising news about one of the many vaccines in production.

Hospital admissions have not increased, more than 2 weeks after pubs and restaurants reopened.

Lots of reasons to think positive at the moment

Seems to be a lot of bad news amongst the good this week.

Okay so at first glance this doesn’t sound like a positive article but if you read beyond the headlines what it’s saying is that you could sit next to someone with cv on a train for 2 hours and there’s still a 96.5% chance you won’t catch it!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/chances-catching-coronavirus-train-analysis-a4513961.html

Placemarking for some positivity.

Yep, fair enough about the school debate, not the right place.

I think the transmission is interesting ie partners not getting symptoms. It might fit with the T cell theory/ innate immunity.

Marking to come back to this thread - I needed this 😊

[quote MarcelineMissouri]Okay so at first glance this doesn’t sound like a positive article but if you read beyond the headlines what it’s saying is that you could sit next to someone with cv on a train for 2 hours and there’s still a 96.5% chance you won’t catch it!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/chances-catching-coronavirus-train-analysis-a4513961.html[/quote]
I'm gonna get it bad, but here it goes.

• link to the peer reviewed study? (maybe it's not peer reviewed?)
• dec-march china... weather? really cold mostly, so the likelihood of face coverings against cold is higher
• again, chine: so the likelihood of having worn a face mask is higher than in europe
• they cite that this will help individual risk assessment. How? One would need to know how many potential infectious people are on the actual train in what proximity to be able to calculate risk. And even then most ppl would fail at the calculations because statistics is not your run of the mill math.
• "The study was based on high-speed routes in China" In China where? 1200km from Wuhan?
• the virus has mutated since then, it has become airborne ....

This article is the lowpoint of journalism. Sensationalism and populism purely, has nothing to do with fact.
Panem et circes.

I would love to hear good news, and would love this to be true and if in peer reviews it turns out to be true and all my above points have been addressed, only then will i rejoice.

(and as a sidenote, pls. don't forget who the Standard's owner is. Lebedev is pushing this clown gov's agenda big time)

So pleased I’ve found this thread! The other one was pushing me into a state of depression about schools not re-opening. My Yr3 soon to be Yr4 has not coped at all with being at home since March, my elder dc got to return to Yr5 for 3 weeks at the end of term. If schools don’t reopen it will affect my youngest massively, he’s already showing signs of anxiety and depression, not sleeping, mood swings. He’s 8 years old, it’s heartbreaking. He does some elite sports and luckily they started up again last week so he’s back to doing doing 6hrs training every week with his squad which is helping. I work from home and it was hard homeschooling at the same time but we got through it. My dh and I have both had to continue working throughout, and will have to come September but it’s not for me I want him back to school, it’s for his mental health and well being. Schools reopening absolutely should be the top priority going forward.

Why do you have to pile on with the negativity without even looking at the original paper? It took ten seconds to find it.

It is peer reviewed. The virus hasn't mutated to become airborne, but there is evidence that in some circumstances the microscopic droplets can travel in the air in closed, indoor spaces where there is poor ventilation and crowding. This was reported in China early on in the pandemic ( Chinese New Year).

Thanks @cathyandclare!

@ProfessorPootle agree with so much of your post, rugby has started again, non contact and small groups, my DC were immediately brighter.
I’m feeling more optimistic re schools. My SIl (primary) says the emphasis will be on well being.

In new cases in France this week, it is mentioned that over 50% had no symptoms.

I have always been interested in the low attack rate in households too! I wonder if it is the T Cell theory or alot of people aren't very infectious.
I love it when I see this thread has new posts

Some positive news for people with asthma and Covid-19 outcomes:

Conclusion: Asthmatics were not overrepresented among patients with severe pneumonia due to SARS-CoV-2 infection who required hospitalisation. Worst outcomes were observed mainly in patients with major comorbidities.

from: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32732333/

Very new:
American Academy of Pediatrics
COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame
Benjamin Lee and William V. Raszka
Pediatrics August 2020, 146 (2) e2020004879; DOI: doi.org/10.1542/peds.2020-004879

On the basis of these data, SARS-CoV-2 transmission in schools may be less important in community transmission than initially feared.

The child developed symptoms after or concurrent with adult HHCs, suggesting that the child was not the source of infection and that children most frequently acquire COVID-19 from adults, rather than transmitting it to them.

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/2/e2020004879.long

Sorry I pressed enter rather than adding this interesting bit from the study on children in transmission...

In an intriguing study from France, a 9-year-old boy with respiratory symptoms associated with picornavirus, influenza A, and SARS-CoV-2 coinfection was found to have exposed over 80 classmates at 3 schools; no secondary contacts became infected, despite numerous influenza infections within the schools, suggesting an environment conducive to respiratory virus transmission.9 In New South Wales, Australia, 9 students and 9 staff infected with SARS-CoV-2 across 15 schools had close contact with a total of 735 students and 128 staff.10 Only 2 secondary infections were identified, none in adult staff; 1 student in primary school was potentially infected by a staff member, and 1 student in high school was potentially infected via exposure to 2 infected schoolmates.

Good news thanks! Please forward to Chris Whitty who seems to have trouble finding a thing positive.
And to Gavin Williamson to booster his attempts to get schools back to normal without damaging restrictions to children.

Ha I was going to say Godspeed that information to the hot hands of government leadership.

Both very good news

Fantastic links - thank you !

Honestly that other thread is so depressing. Rambling, nonsensical and full of made up shit and skewed information.
In the vast majority of counties where schools reopened (with measures in place) all has been well. Israel screwed it up by opening everything at the same time. Schools (with no measures in place), mass gatherings, mass prayer events, sports events etc etc. It was not the children spreading it! Ffs.
I suspect that's why our government is now talking about trade offs, such as pubs. It's a huge shame but there we have it. Schools must open.
Where do these posters get off obsessing about schools and trying to put it all on to children! It's fucking infuriating.

Really interesting and positive article in BMJ about T Cells. A company has also been given funding to produce a TCell test, off the back off an Oxford study that has found lots of people who have had the virus test negative for antibodies.

"Recent findings on the role of T cells in covid-19 give us cause to be cautiously optimistic that cellular immune responses could be a valuable ally in global efforts to control this and future pandemics."

"That some “virus naive” participants in early studies had pre-existing memory helper (50% of participants) and killer T (20%) cells with potential activity against SARS-CoV-2 is intriguing. These cells might arise from cross reactions to other circulating coronaviruses, such as some common cold viruses, and might be a welcome hint of possible background immunity to covid-19 in populations at risk—even in the absence of antibodies."

www.med-technews.com/api/amp/news/innovate-uk-backs-development-of-covid-19-t-cell-test/?__twitter_impression=trueq

www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

@Jrobhatch29 I am totally dumb but what does this mean ? X

[quote DebLou47]@Jrobhatch29 I am totally dumb but what does this mean ? X[/quote]
Which part? X

@Jrobhatch29

Thanks for that.
I read an article explaining possible reasons why some individuals do not appear to catch Covid even when in very close proximity with infected individuals - speculation that other coronaviruses offer some form of immunity. The immune system is fascinating.

A friend of mine had it and has been involved in donating plasma to help others. Things are moving fast and so many wonderful people working on research - hope springs eternal

I think that’s the key, the longer this pandemic goes on the more knowledge the scientists will accumulate about how this virus works. We are in a very different place now than March and that’s something to be hopeful about. My youngest wants to be a “virus fighter” and work in science when she grows up. She’s 5, so this is alongside wanting to be a vet and a ice cream maker, but still!