Feeling a bit duped about the seriousness of Covid....

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Found out my district of 55,000 people there have been 156 confirmed covid cases since March. Now I hear there is an enquiry into the over reporting of Covid deaths in England. Average death rate has now lower than average indicating many people who died from Covid would probably died in the next month or so. No surge in Covid cases or deaths since relaxing lockdown measures (I know about Leicester, but we all know reasons why they have more cases and again they haven't had a spike in deaths).
In the meantime, the economy is screwed, Kids have been off school for months, best friends business has gone bust.

That you stated the other poster was 'ignorant' when they said that.

That's because the poster was clearly implying the deaths were being inaccurately reported for some conspiratorial reason (financial gain is one reason that seems to be popular.) I don't hesitate to call out lack of critical thought when I see it. We are currently in a severe drought.

I agree. But..when people say that deaths were recorded as CV without a positive test, they're called ignorant, moronic, stupid, conspiracy theorists etc. I've seen that dozens of times on MN over the last few months. When the facts are, it's true.

IMO this is the biggest overreaction in history. A lot of mass hysteria. It fed the country's paranoid neurosis.

@TheClaws Were they? I didn't see that implication at all. They just said they'd heard it had happened, they gave no theory at all.

In your rush to tell people they're ignorant for stating facts, perhaps you're seeing things that aren't there?

I don’t know anyone who has had it it doesn’t then make me think It’s all made up or not serious

Lock down controlled it so now people say “it wasn’t that bad” or that lockdown was an overreaction could have seen that coming a mile off.

I don’t want it nor any of my family to get it so continue to maintain social distancing and risk assess all activities. That’s not to say we locked in house still we actually on holiday at moment, eating out, lots of hand washing and staying away from busy areas. My kids are savage as won’t let them go on the pier to play games but that’s a step too far for me

Also To say many of those people would have died anyway is just disgusting and anyone saying it is a massive Arsehole

But..when people say that deaths were recorded as CV without a positive test, they're called ignorant, moronic, stupid, conspiracy theorists etc.

In the early days there weren’t enough tests. Given this, if someone died exhibiting severe Covid symptoms, it would have been the reasonable thing to do to put that in the death certificate. But some people use this as “proof” that Covid deaths have been overstated, when it’s nothing of the sort. In fact, the UKs official Covid death figures don’t include all those deaths, meaning there’s an undercount, not an overcount in relation to this.

Ooh i'd be interested to see that 'proof' too. Can you link?

The lockdown was nothing more than to protect the shit show that is the NHS

So why did the rest of the world go into lockdown?

@Sisterwives

See section 3 of link below for figures regarding Covid deaths.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020#how-many-people-have-died-from-covid-19

The lockdown was nothing more than to protect the shit show that is the NHS

No country’s health system would have remotely coped with an unmitigated Covid epidemic surging through its population.

An extract from my link. This should hopefully dispel the myth that most of the Covid deaths had a Covid infection but actually died of some other cause.

“ Between 1 March and 30 June 2020, there were 218,837 deaths that occurred in England and Wales and that were registered by 4 July 2020. Over a fifth of these deaths (23.0%) involved the coronavirus (COVID-19) (50,335 deaths). The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide. In the majority of cases (46,736 deaths, 92.8%) where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.

Our definition of COVID-19 includes some cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain, for example, because no test was done. Of the 46,736 deaths with an underlying cause of COVID-19, 3,763 (8.1%) were classified as “suspected” COVID-19. Including mentions, “suspected” COVID-19 was recorded on 8.4% (4,251 deaths) of all deaths involving COVID-19.”

Yes i've seen that. It does state they include deaths of suspected CV even if no test performed. Where does it say they've excluded any? They're all included and counted, just with different terminology.

The reason figures are so low about infection rates - you only get tested if admitted to hospital. Our whole primary school had it (nearly 1000 kids) i had it before lock down. None of it recorded because it was 1 before testing and 2 we weren't admitted to hospital. Also no one asymptomatic gets tested either.

Having had it and being seriously ill for 2 months and 5 months later I still have trouble... It isn't a joke. My hospital was full, they used a remote covid team to monitor me at home. While I struggled to breathe and choked on the fluid coming from my lungs while looking after 2 kids alone. It was terrifying. I hate to think the suffering of those in hospital and ventilators.

The testing has been a complete farce with defective tests and the like. You have to look at the rest of the world and not just the UK, we screwed up big time by not locking down. If people would have died in a few months they must have been terminally ill already - that doesn't explain all the healthy people on ventilators. The government have already lied about when we went in to lock down - we all know the day we went in and they just changed it like we wouldnt know! They are twisting the facts massively and seriously can't be trusted.

@Fressia123 it’s my honest opinion that if we didn’t have 24hr news, a media who love nothing more than mass panic and social media there wouldn’t have been all this hysteria, in fact I’m not even sure there would have been a lockdown. Just my opinion/musings

@bemusedmoose It hasn't been the case that you're only tested if admitted to hospital for many months now. I've been tested twice and wasn't even ill let alone anywhere near to being admitted to hospital.

Here you go, Sisterwives. Reeks of commonsense.

• Completely agree with you op. West mids Staffs border, hardly any deaths i & friends know of no-one who had it, let alone died..spoken to couple nurses and a hospital based health care assistant they have said similar esp the reporting if "false" recording of covid deaths due to gov findingfir PPE..nurses dropped themselves in it saying ooh so stressful it was then next breath said how bloody empty n quiet hospiral was esp A&E...well it was stressful for EVERYONE due to the media driven hysteria and absurd attutides of some people on social media!

@bemusedmoose

You think an entire school of 1000 children ALL had CV?

@TheClaws

That was a completely different poster to the one you called ignorant.

I am still baffled by the mn anecdotal "my 30,25,17 etc year old friend died of covid, when the figures don't add up" It has been a massive over reaction. The people who got really ill from it are the people that always get colds and flu, we all know the type. It's down to genetics and most people's are good enough to not get that ill

I'm glad you feel duped OP, means the Government strategy is working. They want people to think this so people don't ask questions as to why we had the biggest death rate in Europe.

Honestly, how anyone can think that a disease which caused 45000+ deaths WITH lockdown wasn't serious is beyond me. That's some special kind of stupid.

Please point to one of those posts @Coronabored (difficult cause you made them up but maybe you could sock puppet?).

Then present your evidence that the people who are badly affected by COVID are "the ones who always got colds" (what does that even mean, how many cold?).

Come on now, the scientific world is waiting for your insight.

northprincess
Sorry I was half asleep posting, I meant I'm torn in the future as to whether we'll think it was all the right way to handle all of this

@Coronabored

I don't agree with it having been an over-reaction but I agree with what you're saying about a lot of these threads.

Some posters in shouting that people are stupid or conspiracy theorists for thinking it was an over-reaction, seem to go too far the other way with their own theories of under-reporting, govermnent cover-ups that it is actually worse than we've told, people must be lying that their areas have not been badly effected etc along with all the numbers of young healthy people dying that don't correlate with official records and claims of entire schools being effected and that not being reported etc...

I live in a city with a population of about half a million, we've had just over 1,000 confirmed cases and fewer than 300 deaths. We built a Nightingale that wasn't used and in our biggest hospital, CV patients in ICU never got larger than a pod of 4 beds. Those are facts. We weren't hit hard at all and are very, very lucky and many areas were far more affected but it doesn't mean our numbers are not accurate or that i'm lying in saying it.

I think we went into lockdown a week too late. I also think we could have started easing lockdown a bit earlier for the sake of the economy and slowing more children back to school before the end of term. Having said that, I'm not sure people to flying off to Spain etc for a week in the sun is the best idea.

I don't think the whole thing was a con. I think if we hadn't had the lockdown we did many, many more people would have died.

How we are reporting deaths, and also how other countries are reporting deaths is another matter.

@Sisterwives

Yes i've seen that. It does state they include deaths of suspected CV even if no test performed. Where does it say they've excluded any? They're all included and counted, just with different terminology.

Looking at the year-to-date for England until July 3, the number of excess deaths for England is 52,242 more than the five-year average.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending3july2020

So what caused the 50,000+ excess deaths?