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Feeling a bit duped about the seriousness of Covid....

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mostwonderfultime · 21/07/2020 10:25

Found out my district of 55,000 people there have been 156 confirmed covid cases since March. Now I hear there is an enquiry into the over reporting of Covid deaths in England. Average death rate has now lower than average indicating many people who died from Covid would probably died in the next month or so. No surge in Covid cases or deaths since relaxing lockdown measures (I know about Leicester, but we all know reasons why they have more cases and again they haven't had a spike in deaths).
In the meantime, the economy is screwed, Kids have been off school for months, best friends business has gone bust.

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Choccylips · 22/07/2020 23:13

Thats why they banned autopsies there would be no proof.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 22/07/2020 23:25

@Choccylips

Thats why they banned autopsies there would be no proof.
Somehow this thread manages to get more fucking batshit as it goes on.
stayathomer · 22/07/2020 23:30

I'm very torn, there's the numbers but then my friend's neighbour lost 3 in her family to covid- I always think that's 3 people that if covid wasn't here would have seen the end of the year

Caplin · 22/07/2020 23:34

My nanny used to work part time in a care home. They lost half their residents in a home of 300. She left after that, she also had it and should be shielding.

I suspect Covid may have killed my 36 year old brother, but a month or two after he had it. But he had other issues too.

I know the economy has taken a pounding, but we were out tonight for the first time and every bar and restaurant that was open was full (with social distancing). I hope things may not be as bad as we feared thanks to furlough.

northprincess · 22/07/2020 23:55

@stayathomer

I'm not being difficult but in what way are you torn?? 3 lives????

853690525d · 23/07/2020 00:41

Covid has led to a huge loss of normality for many people, so it follows they feel grief... However, some people can’t seem to get past the first “denial” stage of the Kubler-Ross grief cycle.

Well, it's not a cycle. That's a very out-dated theory. Which is why people haven't got past it. They could stay there for a very long time.

853690525d · 23/07/2020 00:43

last week there were reports that herd immunity is being achieved.

Where were the reports?

Aridane · 23/07/2020 02:28

Department of Health and Social Care source said: “You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”

Ha ha - because we were , you know, just trying so many people for Covid in February 🙄

Northernsoulgirl45 · 23/07/2020 03:24

Found out my district of 55,000 people there have been 156 confirmed covid cases since March
Would love to see the source of this data and where this place is op.

Happydaysandhappysmiles · 23/07/2020 03:34

alreadytaken you are right, if lock down had started a week earlier then our death count would be similar to Germany's (very reputable source but sadly can't remember which one, one of the leading university's I think)

Sissyjd · 23/07/2020 04:38

Completely agree with you op. West mids Staffs border, hardly any deaths i & friends know of no-one who had it, let alone died..spoken to couple nurses and a hospital based health care assistant they have said similar esp the reporting if "false" recording of covid deaths due to gov findingfir PPE..nurses dropped themselves in it saying ooh so stressful it was then next breath said how bloody empty n quiet hospiral was esp A&E...well it was stressful for EVERYONE due to the media driven hysteria and absurd attutides of some people on social media!

Oblomov20 · 23/07/2020 04:52

I completely disagree with midge and don't think the uncooked chicken comparison is relevant.

Op is not saying we shouldn't have had lock down.
She is simply saying has there been media Misreporting? Over/dramatisation?
I agree. Probably there has been.
We too in a huge borough, huge county have had 223.

I don't know how many deaths we normally have in this timeframe, but I suspect it's similar.

No one saying we should've had a lockdown I'm just saying that actually so it's now transpiring that they're been a lot less deaths and then the hysteria made people believe.

TheClaws · 23/07/2020 04:53

@Sissyjd

Completely agree with you op. West mids Staffs border, hardly any deaths i & friends know of no-one who had it, let alone died..spoken to couple nurses and a hospital based health care assistant they have said similar esp the reporting if "false" recording of covid deaths due to gov findingfir PPE..nurses dropped themselves in it saying ooh so stressful it was then next breath said how bloody empty n quiet hospiral was esp A&E...well it was stressful for EVERYONE due to the media driven hysteria and absurd attutides of some people on social media!
Somehow I feel just can't depend on your sources. Take your conspiracies elsewhere.
daytripper28 · 23/07/2020 04:56

Hmmm - if we've had 'so little deaths' why does the UK have the 3rd highest covid death rate in the whole world?

TheClaws · 23/07/2020 05:07

Besides, a little reading will show you that in fact, this reporting glitch is just that - a glitch. It will have a tiny effect on the death total. Tiny. The problem is it feeds the 'hit by a bus, but died of COVID' small mind-brigade.

AdoreTheBeach · 23/07/2020 05:24

Counting the death rate. If they died of Covid, it’s a death by Covid regardless of whether they may have died within a month if another cause. Covid killed them.

Why would you not count this as a Covid death? What’s the cut off? A death by Covid if someone with a heart condition that may have killed them in a year if they’d not caught Covid? A diabetic who may have died in a few years if not caught Covid?

If they caught Covid and it caused them to die, they died of Covid.

This is a new virus. No jobs knew exactly what was going to happen. Things developed quickly and learning happened along the way. It’s very easy to judge with Crystal clear 20/20 vision when it’s looking at the past - not what could be seen at the time.

As someone else said, look at Florida, Texas, Arizona who have had benefit if seeing where/how things were hit by Covid, steps taken that worked but chose to ignore. That also needs to be tempered with the stupidity of anti maskers and conspiracy nuts that it’s a hoax or the plain selfish people who don’t care about others. Sadly you can see that UK has similar problems but I hope in smaller scale.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 23/07/2020 05:51

At last... I have felt this from the start.

I couldn’t believe and still can’t that they closed the schools.

I am so angry about the dire effects on the economy.

My friend who works on a care home with several “covid” deaths told me many deaths were recorded as covid even without a positive test

TheClaws · 23/07/2020 06:42

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

At last... I have felt this from the start.

I couldn’t believe and still can’t that they closed the schools.

I am so angry about the dire effects on the economy.

My friend who works on a care home with several “covid” deaths told me many deaths were recorded as covid even without a positive test

Aarghh!! The ignorance burns.
CrunchyCarrot · 23/07/2020 06:54

Duped? No not at all. Unfortunately we can't have it both ways. Keep everyone safe (by restricting movements and so on) and keeping the economy blooming. I think the Govt rightly (eventually!) chose to protect people via lockdown (even though they handled many things wrongly and the care home scandal is just awful).

There have been thousands of deaths, for anyone to think 'it's OK,most of them were due to die soon any way' is... well I have no words. Hmm

gettingreadytogo · 23/07/2020 07:07

Some people think that it was lockdown that shafted the economy ? The only way our lockdown hurt the economy was by happening too late, which means it's more dragged out

The economy does not keep on running when the NHS and funeral parlours are over run , when significant portion of the workforce is off simultaneously sick , some for very extended periods, and the rest of the population is too scared to leave the house

Sisterwives · 23/07/2020 07:09

@TheClaws

It's well documented some deaths (quite a lot) in care homes were officially recorded as CV without a positive test. Unless you think the ONS is lying?

"Our definition of deaths involving COVID-19 includes cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain, for example, because a test was not undertaken. Of the 19,394 deaths involving COVID-19 of care home residents, 16,305 (84.1%) were classified as "confirmed" COVID-19 and 3,089 (15.9%) were classified as "suspected" COVID-19"

Full document below.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19inthecaresectorenglandandwales/deathsoccurringupto12june2020andregisteredupto20june2020provisional&ved=2ahUKEwjq-aGZ2uLqAhWktXEKHRKIDDcQFjABegQIDBAH&usg=AOvVaw3WsGXv-LCM4qj33SMawPH-" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19inthecaresectorenglandandwales/deathsoccurringupto12june2020andregisteredupto20june2020provisional&ved=2ahUKEwjq-aGZ2uLqAhWktXEKHRKIDDcQFjABegQIDBAH&usg=AOvVaw3WsGXv-LCM4qj33SMawPH-

TheClaws · 23/07/2020 07:12

It's well documented some deaths (quite a lot) in care homes were officially recorded as CV without a positive test. Unless you think the ONS is lying?

Your point, Sisterwives?

Sisterwives · 23/07/2020 07:13

That you stated the other poster was 'ignorant' when they said that.

Kazzyhoward · 23/07/2020 07:14

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

At last... I have felt this from the start.

I couldn’t believe and still can’t that they closed the schools.

I am so angry about the dire effects on the economy.

My friend who works on a care home with several “covid” deaths told me many deaths were recorded as covid even without a positive test

Have you forgotten that schools were closing before lockdown due to staff shortages due to staff off sick???
JacobReesMogadishu · 23/07/2020 07:18

I think it’s fair enough to record the death as Covid if that’s what the symptoms point to. Even without a test. I think not recording it as Covid when someone has all the symptoms would be far, far worse.