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Feeling a bit duped about the seriousness of Covid....

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mostwonderfultime · 21/07/2020 10:25

Found out my district of 55,000 people there have been 156 confirmed covid cases since March. Now I hear there is an enquiry into the over reporting of Covid deaths in England. Average death rate has now lower than average indicating many people who died from Covid would probably died in the next month or so. No surge in Covid cases or deaths since relaxing lockdown measures (I know about Leicester, but we all know reasons why they have more cases and again they haven't had a spike in deaths).
In the meantime, the economy is screwed, Kids have been off school for months, best friends business has gone bust.

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Derbygerbil · 22/07/2020 19:27

@cavalier

Agreed. Covid has led to a huge loss of normality for many people, so it follows they feel grief... However, some people can’t seem to get past the first “denial” stage of the Kubler-Ross grief cycle.

alreadytaken · 22/07/2020 19:27

Meanwhile this is part of what has been going on in hospitals. No-one ever wants to talk about the survivors and how they need intensive therapy because of what they have been through.

"the pandemic saw 35-year-old .. and her colleagues change to ten hour shifts and they got home late at night. “On your days off you just slept,” she recalled. “It was the sheer volume of people coming in.”

Miss .. described some of the care for some coronavirus patients from giving them breathing tubes to ensuring their airways were clear to proning - moving patients into the prone position - which has been vital in helping many Covid patients.

“It uses a significant amount of manpower to prone a heavily sedated patient who is not aware of what’s going on - it takes seven people to move them,” she said.

Some patients had tracheostomy - where a tube is inserted into their windpipe to help air get into the lungs. And they later needed help from language therapy and to swallow again and to be weaned off a ventilator.

“That person has lost the ability to sit up by themselves to stand and walk,” said Miss ....."So they need physio and dieticians to help plan for discharge.

“It’s a team effort and all of this whilst we are wearing bucket-loads PPE. It’s incredibly hot, it feels claustrophobic. Some people were dripping with sweat.

“I definitely will carry this time with me for my life," she said.

Chloe Middleton, from High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire died aged 21 - no underlying conditions according to her family.

Rebecca Mack, from Morpeth in Northumberland, passed away at home. Her family said she had no underlying health problems.

The 29-year-old had previously worked as a children's nurse at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary (RVI) before more recently taking a job with NHS 111.

There was also a 13 day old baby, apparently healthy.

There are more but hey, they would all have died eventually, right.

Akiddleydiveytoo · 22/07/2020 20:00

I haven't RTFT but this sort of attitude really boils my piss. There have been 65,000 excess deaths (of all causes) since the end of March. That's 65,000 deaths in ADDITION to the average number of deaths we would normally expect this time of year. That's 65,000 deaths during a period when we were in full lockdown. 65,000 deaths based on 7% of the population having contracted coronavirus. Can you imagine how much greater this figure would have been without lockdown; If we had gone for the full herd immunity tactic of allowing 80% of the population to become infected?

People who think this has been over exaggerated clearly haven't been looking at the figures.

openplankitchen · 22/07/2020 20:07

[quote Derbygerbil]@cavalier

Agreed. Covid has led to a huge loss of normality for many people, so it follows they feel grief... However, some people can’t seem to get past the first “denial” stage of the Kubler-Ross grief cycle.[/quote]
I don't think people are grieving and in denial! I've worked and exercised throughout so maintained a lot of normality.

I'm aware and accepting of death as part of life. Pandemics cause higher death rates. I accept that because I can't change it. But try and enjoy my tiny tiny tiny amount of time (relatively speaking) on earth as best as I can. We're a long time dead

gov · 22/07/2020 20:10

OPs attitude boils my piss too. I was fine, just like OP and I got covid. Now 18 weeks later I’m still suffering, awful fatigue, pain, breathlessness, insomnia- long Covid. It’s a thing & no I wasn’t tested until I was virus free BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TESTING!! OP - google long covid and see that young & healthy people are having their lives ruined by this illness. The people who were not hospitalised are still not being included in any statistics, not getting much in the way of medical support, or even much media coverage - we just hang out in Facebook support groups, and there are lots and lots of us!!

Derbygerbil · 22/07/2020 20:47

I'm aware and accepting of death as part of life. Pandemics cause higher death rates. I accept that because I can't change it. But try and enjoy my tiny tiny tiny amount of time (relatively speaking) on earth as best as I can. We're a long time dead

That’s easy to say if you’re not in a high risk group and don’t care about anyone who is. Personally, if it was all about me and my health, i wouldn’t bother worrying about it, I’d make a risk/reward judgment and because I’m in my 40s with no underlying conditions (to my knowledge) I’d want to get on with life without restrictions. But the world doesn’t revolve around me... It’s not all about my risk of getting Covid and whether I’m comfortable with that. That’s what libertarian Covid minimisers just don’t seem to be able to grasp.

northprincess · 22/07/2020 20:56

Actually if you're being duped at all it's that you're being told it's safe to shop, go back to work, get on a plane! It's not safe but the economy can't take a longer lockdown so it's relying on people to be extremely careful.

keffie12 · 22/07/2020 20:59

I have nothing to say about what OP has said that is repeatable. 55 thousand deaths is not enough for you then? Bet you wouldn't say that if you knew people that had died from it

Yes alot have died through Covid19 who have complex medical health issues. That makes it alright then. It makes it alright then without lockdown those numbers would have been even more

Tell that to the families who couldn't even be at the bedside of their loved one who is dieing. Tell that to the Drs, nurses, paramedics, keyworkers who have risked there life for you, us all.

Utterly, utterly selfish! They are expecting a second wave this winter but hey what does it matter as long as your not affected

Yes i know 5 people who have had it. 4 lived. 2 who work in the NHS as nurses. 2 others who didn't and one person who died wgo was 60 with no underlying health conditions

If lockdown hadn't have happened it would have been a whole lot worse. Why do you think we have to wear facemasks from Friday? For the hell of it

openplankitchen · 22/07/2020 20:59

@Derbygerbil agree I'm only young. But I would also say the same if I was in my 80s. Much rather live and enjoy the last few years of my life with family than hide away.

I do agree there is a middle 'shielding' group however in this instance of me or my child was shielded I'd just be very sensible. I wouldn't expect everyone else to lockdown though. This is similar to Sweden's approach

Quietintheranks · 22/07/2020 21:22

Fuck off with this “duped” attitude. My brother died. He left two teenage children. Just fuck right off.

This is a novel virus we don’t know what the long term effects will be already some people now need asthma meds, kidney transplants and have so many other serious life changing conditions. If you think about a virus like chicken pox that never leaves your body and can come back as shingles again and again. Or herpes. Or H.I.V. These don’t ever leave. Why would you risk it?

IloveJKRowling · 22/07/2020 21:41

Quiet So sorry about your brother. My deepest condolences to you and your family (including his teenage children - what an awful loss for them). Flowers

People who have not encountered the virus somehow believing it's all a conspiracy, not as serious as reported, and that the deaths of tens of thousands are somehow not real or important must add to your heartbreak.

We are not all like this. Many people still care, and are abiding by the rules to try and avoid more needless deaths.

For those who still think it's only people with underlying conditions who have died (a pretty heartless attitude not out of place in the third reich) - the average amount of life lost is 10-13 years. So not insignificant. Not a few months.

plus3 · 22/07/2020 21:44

I work in a London intensive care unit. I have also been shielding for a health condition that would not have killed me in the next 2 years (sorry to disappoint you...)
I am desperate to return to work but cannot as it is not currently ‘ COVID secure’. I regularly apologise to my co workers for letting them down - the guilt I feel at being shielded is huge.
Not a single person who worked through the pandemic thinks I should come back.

Porcupineinwaiting · 22/07/2020 21:58

Not surprised @plus3. One thing you dont see on line is lots of NHS staff saying what an over-reaction lockdown was and how COVID is just like flu. Strange that.

Porcupineinwaiting · 22/07/2020 22:00

@openplankitchen one of our elderly neighbours had exactly that attitude and was dead within 3 weeks. Not sure such a swift response to his declaration of independence was quite what he was expecting.

Wowzel · 22/07/2020 22:00

I'm a nurse and I had a positive covid test. Lots of my colleagues had positive covid tests. Some of them went to ITU. Some of them died.

northprincess · 22/07/2020 22:07

The most scary thing is the people who will happily spread the virus without a care.

syskywalker · 22/07/2020 22:13

Ok. So because someone had an underlying health issue and died from Covid it’s ok that they and their loved ones had valuable time stolen from them? I bet you’d also like to just starve anyone over 70 because they’ll die soon anyway?!

They died from Covid and more died then they reported!!! In the 10,000s. Go back to school learn about politicians manipulating statistics. They refuse to test so they can declare death as anything but they true cause Covid! Sheeple like you make me fear for the human race!

openplankitchen · 22/07/2020 22:27

I work for nhs. Our shielding staff are returning now with risk assessments carried out. Those at Home we're working from home throughout.

plus3 · 22/07/2020 22:31

@mostwonderfultime ...I can only speak for my trust but we massively extended our ITU capacity- theatres, Cath labs, HDU and paediatric ITU all turned into Adult intensive care units.

The Nightingale was used but had very strict admissions ie could only have lung failure = need a ventilator, not the myriad of issues that the hospitals were dealing with.

At one point the age of putting someone onto ECMO came down to 50. In my mind that is too young to withhold life saving treatment.

You run out of capacity very quickly because once that sick you take 3-4 weeks to even start to recover (if you haven’t arrested being turned over in to your back) ....you do understand that, don’t you?

plus3 · 22/07/2020 22:33

As I have been @openplankitchen...

openplankitchen · 22/07/2020 22:37

Yes my point being don't feel guilty!! Lots have been working from home

plus3 · 22/07/2020 22:51

Ahhh sorry ...working on that bit Smile

CountessFrog · 22/07/2020 22:54

I recall all those people on here cancelling uk holidays on April. They could sell them at huge profit now.

EarlGreywithLemon · 22/07/2020 22:58

So so sorry for your loss Quiet

OP, read this- all of it. Everyone should be made to when they say things like that

www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/may/28/so-much-living-to-do-stories-of-the-uks-coronavirus-victims

Jools79 · 22/07/2020 23:07

Go and ask Kate Garraway if you have been duped. Or the relatives of people who have died in hospital with a stranger holding their hand .