Feeling a bit duped about the seriousness of Covid....

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Found out my district of 55,000 people there have been 156 confirmed covid cases since March. Now I hear there is an enquiry into the over reporting of Covid deaths in England. Average death rate has now lower than average indicating many people who died from Covid would probably died in the next month or so. No surge in Covid cases or deaths since relaxing lockdown measures (I know about Leicester, but we all know reasons why they have more cases and again they haven't had a spike in deaths).
In the meantime, the economy is screwed, Kids have been off school for months, best friends business has gone bust.

All of the scaremongering posters seem to have gradually realised this too! Thank goodness.

Fantasy

We're lucky only a small section of the population has been exposed to this virus because it's brutal
Rubbish.
A large part of the population had been exposed but show none or mild symptoms only, which is why last week there were reports that herd immunity is being achieved.
The virus is not brutal. Sadly a tiny minority of people suffer severe symptoms and an even tinier minority die. The human race has survived far worse in the past (and now, still, with malaria..

"Rubbish.
A large part of the population had been exposed but show none or mild symptoms only, which is why last week there were reports that herd immunity is being achieved.
The virus is not brutal. Sadly a tiny minority of people suffer severe symptoms and an even tinier minority die. The human race has survived far worse in the past (and now, still, with malaria.."

Please try to get your brain working. Herd immunity may be unachievable as antibodies wane after a few months and no-one is sure how long they will protect you. And even if they do we are nowhere near achieving it. Believe rubbish if you want, but expect to be called on it here.

Zilla - fortunately I've got to the stage where the opinions of idiots dont influence me, even if they are real. I tend to assume these days that a substantial proportion of the posts on mumsnet are either silly teenagers who think they are being funny or bots.

Quickly waning antibodies does not necessarily mean immunity will be short-lived. We also make T-cells, which persist much longer. They are the bit of the immune system which ‘remember’ the virus and will quickly start making antibodies if you are exposed to the virus at a later date.

I am the opposite of the OP. I have longhaul covid, it's awful. I wish I had known more in March. It's bloody awful and life changing for me.

@lifeafter50

We're lucky only a small section of the population has been exposed to this virus because it's brutal Rubbish. A large part of the population had been exposed but show none or mild symptoms only, which is why last week there were reports that herd immunity is being achieved. The virus is not brutal. Sadly a tiny minority of people suffer severe symptoms and an even tinier minority die. The human race has survived far worse in the past (and now, still, with malaria..

You won't listen to me and I won't change your mind but even people with mild covid may have lung damage and will only realise in a while. Others had it mildly and then have strokes, etc. I have been ill for 4 months and am scared for me future, work, life expectancy, etc. Just stay vigilant and don't believe those who say it's just like the flu. It's not.

Weirdly I'm now the opposite.

The science shows quite a bit of long term health damage in all age groups, plus there is a limited period of immunity for those who have had it. Little chance of a vaccine that's effective for the longer term.

I'm more nervous than ever about getting it now. I feel like people who braved it in key worker jobs are even more heroic now.

Why would they dupe us and wreck the economy?!

Why would they dupe us and wreck the economy?!

Even moreso, why would so many other countries be doing the same and wrecking their economies too?

Why would they dupe us and wreck the economy?!

Because the alien lizard overlords are messing with us all for shits and giggles obviously 🙄

Why would they dupe us and wreck the economy?!

Because we live in a safety culture. People’s expectations about risk have changed over the years. Also once China and Italy reacted so strongly it set a tone.

Why would they dupe us and wreck the economy?!

Because Boris Johnson and the Conservative party have a long track record of prioritising the protection of the weak and vulnerable over economic growth.

Because we live in a safety culture. People’s expectations about risk have changed over the years. Also once China and Italy reacted so strongly it set a tone.

So nothing to do with it growing exponentially in March then, which caused schools and hospital wards to close due to staff shortages before lockdown???

Florida and Phoenix were late locking down. The E.Rs are overflowing it looks like the end of days in there. My young neighbour had Covid months ago and I can still hear the coughing through the wall.

The real giveaway will be excess deaths throughout the whole year.

There’s no evidence of a massive surge in non-Covid deaths due to the lockdown that remotely comparable the Covid deaths that have occurred

The problem with this is the timescale, the timescale for lockdown deaths is not the same, we won't have seen them yet, indeed we don't know if we'll see them at all. But dementia caused by isolation, metabolic disorders caused by lack of exercise and added weight, mental disorders caused by isolation etc. are all killers which lag not immediate killers, so comparison is tricky.

We don't know if lockdowns are the same as other causes of isolation - maybe they're not, so they don't cause the same early deaths. Maybe people haven't actually got less fit and fatter despite the initial evidence, or maybe the release from lockdown will allow people to mitigate the effects - perhaps a cycling boom really will happen.

But hypothesised deaths from lockdown would mostly not have happened yet, so you cannot say they do not exist, we don't know the numbers, personally I think in absolute terms they'll be considerably lower - in QALY terms though I suspect it would be different.

Most people counted under “coronavirus deaths” actually died WITH the virus. They could’ve died of other underlying health issues (diagnosed or not). We need to focus on people that have other diseases and have had their care cut, e.g. dialysis sessions cut. Their health is suffering because of this pandemic, but not the virus itself. I’d say under 60s without health issues aren’t really at risk.

Also, schools and other institutions being closed has meant that children and young people have suffered. Not just academically, but mentally and at risk of safeguarding issues. People have lost jobs and are fearful of their future. Was it worth it?

@Rebelwithallthecause absolute bollocks. There were years of fixing going on pre y2k - going through all the systems with a fine tooth comb and recoding or replacing. I worked on a number of different programs including for banks and utility companies. Where on earth do you get your statement from?

A Department of Health and Social Care source said: “You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”
You could also have died in a care home in February/March of Covid but not be on the figures as they weren't testing.

Right. So because YOUR town is OK the whole thing has been an over dramatisation?

Thanks for letting me know. I will pop in to work tomorrow and let all the Covid patients on the wards and in ICU know that the whole thing has been a total misunderstanding and they can all go home.

Thanks for the info.

Sincerely

I’m more concerned about the inept testing a few months ago. My sister in law is a midwife. Suspected she had Covid, isolated and drove to get a test ASAP. Test came back negative so she returned to work. She has been taught how to do a covid test herself since she had hers done and was convinced it wasn’t done properly. Last week she had her antibody test and she has Covid antibodies. Which suggests she did in fact have it when she first suspected. However because the test was negative she had to go back to work. She now can’t help but feel guilty about a mum who had to give birth and go straight to intensive care where she was on a ventilator for 5 weeks and away from her baby. She has since had trouble bonding with her baby etc and my sister in law just can’t shake the blame.

"The emperor and his new clothes"

@FelicisNox all the covid patients? There are currently only 1516 people in hospital with covid across the whole of the UK. That’s 1.2 people per hospital. Which hospital are you working in and how many have you got??

Most people counted under “coronavirus deaths” actually died WITH the virus. They could’ve died of other underlying health issues (diagnosed or not).

As with any illness, underlying conditions make you more susceptible, but it doesn’t follow that just because someone has underlying conditions, Covid isn’t the proximate cause of death, and most people with underlying conditions have a life expectancy of decades.

If Covid was an inconsequential factor in most Covid deaths as you seem to be implying, there wouldn’t have been an unprecedented colossal spike in excess deaths in April and May of people either with confirmed cases or with symptoms (ie before mass testing).

Look at footage of Italy ... sky news report from March onwards .... it was horrendous and would have been if we had not locked down
What is is this disbelief for from people
Covid 19 and wreaked havoc on the human race .... I’m bewildered at the denial with all of this I really am 😖