Schools Reopening?

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A major, peer reviewed study into transmission in South Korea has established that tweens and teenagers spread the SARSCOV2 virus more than any other age group.

The study involved more than 65,000 people and used South Korea’s exceptionally effective contact tracing system to look at who brought the virus into households. Tweens and teenagers were the highest index case age group. Younger children transmitted at the same rate as 20-somethings.

This is a large scale, rigorous piece of research that proves children are effective at transmitting the virus. It was conducted in a country that implements strict social distancing and mask wearing among children. The authors say the rate of transmission would have been higher if children weren’t subjected to those measures.

Plans to reopen schools more or less as normal in September will place many lives at risk, and increase the likelihood schools will have to close again. The government needs to acknowledge schools will be highly efficient vectors of viral transmission and change its reopening plans.

Published Paper:
wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article

Article on the paper:

www.bloombergquint.com/business/covid-19-spread-fastest-by-teens-and-tweens-korea-study-finds

It’s incredible how invested some posters are in abusing teachers. What happens to make people so vicious and lacking in empathy?

I’m not Science - I’m English - the HoScience is just interfering in my business 😂😂

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@SmileEachDay naughty HOScience 😂. I think those crates look great so ordering one to try out this week. Our concrete is not very even and lots of buildings have stairs so need to see how heavy it gets. Thank you.

And what kind of parent really wants their children in an unsafe environment and actively argues against safety measures?

It makes me wonder if these posters are parents and if not why the obsession with threads about schools?

In real life I don’t know anyone keen to see teachers and students put at unnecessarily high risk. Just a few posters on mn.

No sure about the bleeding though. Oh, compulsory birth control pills would stop that!

And that would stop all those pesky teachers from going off on maternity leave and sponging off the State even more - win win! Think of the savings!

Truly blown away by the muppets on this thread who think teachers having a break during the day is such a ridiculous notion. Race to the bottom mentality is alive and well, I see.

Mums I think he was just jealous of my brilliant idea.

Yeah, I’ve ordered a test one for myself so I can check it’s not going to fall apart. We can compare notes!

@SmileEachDay and it comes in bright pink. That's me sorted.

@ohthegoats

There have been 197 'outbreaks' in school since 1st June in the UK. Despite HUGE protective measures being in place.

Correct. And yet there has been very little media coverage. Schools have been closing up and down the country, but there seems to be this mass delusion in government and among a certain section of the population that reopening in September with normal class sizes, no masks and no social distancing isn’t going to be a problem.

And that's half sized bubbles and not all years in

Glad to help mum.

Amazing isn’t it - teachers tend to come up with workable solutions if they’re left to get on with it 🤷🏻‍♀️

It has deliberately been kept out of the media as that would cause concern amongst parents who will be unaware unless they go looking for the information. Obviously that has an economic knock-on effect.

I belive that they don't want to introduce visors or masks for the same reason - that indicates there IS risk and a greater proportion of parents would reconsider sending their children in.

You will note that masks in shops only becomes mandatory after the last of the schools break-up for the summer. That, I'm sure, is deliberate.

I think they’re saying no PPE in schools because they don’t want to have to pay for it.

They’re already mandating extra cleaning and aren’t paying for that, but they seem to have got away with that.

I've made my own masks. And school have provided visors - made by our DT dept. Not waiting to be told they are necessary but I would put money on them being made mandatory about 4 weeks into term. After the first 100 shutdowns.

I'm sure there is somethinig in that noble. And yet they can afford £10 restaurant vouchers.

I've also seen perfectly adequate masks made from socks and visors made from large pop bottles. It only needs to be something to stop droplets. A huge percentage of parents could make their own - and I would rather make them myself for children that don't have them than go without.

Kids need to be in school and they need to be educated properly. It’s not an optional extra. It must happen. I am bemused at how little importance some people seem to attach to the importance of schooling and education.
Completely agree. I teach in a school where we immediately switched to full online timetable after Easter, pretty much 100% attendance and about 80% of work completed / and feedback given by teachers, but even that is not good enough, and most children did not receive that and nowhere near the education they deserve. Education is a vital service, it is not simply a 'workplace' where there workers rights trump everything. Keeping teachers 'safe' is not what education is about.
The risk of catching a serious form of the virus is vanishingly small. PHE has ridiculously overstated the death rate as well - people who tested positive for Covid three month before they die of a road accident or other unrelated cause were counted as Covid deaths! So the real figure is nothing like the scare headlines.
The analogy an earlier poster made of getting caught on the rain is specious and oriole. If you go out in the rain you get wet. Even in the remote event you are exposed to Covid, your chances of catching a serious bout is tiny and of dying is too small to be significant.
If teachers don't want to go back to work, resign. The threat of mass resignations is just that -an empty threat. People will posture but rarely put their money where their mouth is. And if people don't want to send their children to school -home school.
Education matters - how about that as a movement?

If teachers don't want to go back to work, resign.

ARGH THIS AGAIN

Teachers cannot resign to get out of going back to work in September. If they hand in their notice today, the earliest they can leave is Christmas.

Plus, many teachers are considering leaving at Christmas and you really don’t want that so maybe you should reconsider riding roughshod over their concerns.

lifeafter50 and sad to say, teachers like you are a big part of the problem.

Yes, school staff should be kept safe - it is being addressed for ALL other occupations. Why should school staff be different?

Please don't give me your martyr-ish ' would you just think of the children' rhetoric. Teaching is a profession and one most take very seriously... bu they should not have to open themselves up to illness and / or death for it.

I'm shielding. It ends on 1st August. What do you propose for those of us who are vulnerable. No wait... I should just resign right??

I know a very healthy sporty 16 year old who has just come home after being in an induced coma in ICU for 10 days. Her lungs are now so damaged she's likely to need a transplant.
You go on believing it's a small risk of a tiny virus. Tell her that. Her life has been changed forever because other people took risks. I won't. I will wear a mask to protect others - and myself. Because I'm not a selfish git.

[quote mumsneedwine]**@openplankitchen* @motherrunner* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂a risk assessment. Not much anyone can do if I need the loo 10 minutes into a lesson.[/quote]
Read your risk assessment, it’s bound to be in there 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Re: the flooding - straw man argument. If you are prone to flooding it could happen anytime, not simply in a 30 min break. What do you do now? Most of us in teaching (and other jobs too /strangely) have managed to find ways to manage our periods without expecting the whole education system to grind to a halt to accommodate us.

lifeafter50

You haven’t bothered reading the thread, have you?

Honestly - it’s the thing that drives me potty with my kids. Read the words. Don’t just assume you know what you’re being asked and jump in with both feet.

I blame the English teachers.

lifeafter50 are you sure you're not openplan with a name change?

And you haven't answered my question yet?

But hey, there's always one in every classroom as well... good job we're used to it!
And is this how you 'manage' it in the classroom? By ratcheting up instead of de-escalating? By insulting those people, as othegoats did?
Pretty poor classroom management you've done SF played here.

Have quickly scanned through this thread so may have missed some points but I’ll just like to add this:

Yes all pupils should be back to school in September just like any other September, for the sake of not only their education but mental health. However, this is not any September so for the sake of our young people’s education let’s not meet other households/people, shut non essential shops, pubs, restaurants, parks, hair salons, etc if there is a risk of exponential growth of infections. If that was the case I wonder if people would still be so keen to get kids all back to school?!

lifeafter50 - I'm sorry - I was assuming it was adults on this thread, not the 5 year olds I usually work with. My mistake.