Boris announcement- November. Does he know something?

[Yetiyoga]

Not sure if this has been suggested. We are supposed to find out next week about how successful the Oxford vaccine has gone aren't we? Do you think Boris Johnson knows the result and that is why he thinks we could be back to normal by November / Christmas? Or am I being naive/ too optimistic?
I just can't see 'normal' by Christmas as things are currently. And I'm fairly relaxed about it all.
I have a first niece / nephew due late October so it would mean the world to be able to meet them this year.

Nah. Sadly not a chance the vaccine could have a useful effect by November. No secret knowledge, he’s just an idiot.

Very naive & optimistic - he doesn't have a clue - this is just the same bluster as he has shown throughout which completely disregards the scientists and their evidence.

That would be nice if it were true- I’d love a more normal life by then. However, November would be very ambitious from previous statements from the CMO/CSO. Winter seems to be a great unknowns.

For what its worth I don't like him. This whole situation has been a shambles. But I did wonder if there was a link.

They are hopeful the vaccine will be available for the vulnerable by October. I guess we will have to wait until next week to find out

He’s just an idiot?

Tiresome.

He’s trying to rally the population back into work and normal life mode, give us hope with a light at the end of the tunnel. A positive thing that any good leader should be doing at this stage in proceedings,

It’s likely he does know a lot more than most of us. But I don’t think it’s vaccine related. More likely projected stats and data.

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Tiresome.

He’s trying to rally the population back into work and normal life mode, give us hope with a light at the end of the tunnel. A positive thing that any good leader should be doing at this stage in proceedings,

It’s likely he does know a lot more than most of us. But I don’t think it’s vaccine related. More likely projected stats and data.

I do think he knows more just hope and pray vaccine works

This is the same Boris Johnson who tried to give us the impression he knew something last March when he happily told us:
'I was at a hospital where there were a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody'

I heard that sporting events and audiences could return in October. BJ also wants people to return to work.
I think he knows the economy will be fucked unless things return more to normality.
I think he’ll ask people to sanitise frequently and try and keep 2 M where possible, other than that not sure what he knows.

I would love to think you could be right OP. I could literally cry if that were the case. Sadly I feel PP are probably right

Sorry but think you may be being optimistic than his verbal diarrhoea hints at anything (don't get me wrong, I desperately want a vaccine to succeed in trials and rolled out or a treatment with high success rate).

Boris Johnson is a dithering, stupid fool who knows Jack shit about anything other than being a racist, misogynist who cares only about lining the pockets of his wealthy pals.

Clueless why?

Every other European country is back to work and moving towards normality. Why wouldn’t we be?

Curve has been and gone, NHS underwhelmed if anything, BJ job is to steer 66 million people out of lockdown.

Yes, I think you might be right everyone :(

Does anyone know when next week we will hear the oxford vaccine update?

To be fair to BJ this was an unprecedented situation. If he’d try to lock down earlier he may not have had support from the public. I don’t think any country will come out of this totally perfect. This is a complex, ever changing pandemic.
People say he’s been a shambles, but who else would have done better?

It's hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

He's laying out what it will be like if infection controls work, and we can indeed be agile in quashing any little flare ups to prevent then becoming clusters, and prevent those clusters coalescing into a regional rise.

It's a kind of 'jam tomorrow' but it does depend on things like hand washing, use of masks, keeping 2m away from strangers (unless necessary and mitigated), high hygiene standards, and employers making good choices about Covid safety in the workplace.

But it's also preparing for the worst. Continuing high levels of PPE purchase, further buttressing of test and trace, expanded flu vaccination programme, retain the Nightingales, powers to local councils (who have responsibility for local Public Health) to impose targeted lockdowns etc

We don't know how it will go over the autumn. Implicit in the research that SARS-COV2 is milder in hotter weather is that it is more readily transmitted in cooler weather. It's not gone away, and we are seeing that it can spring back quickly.

So yes it might all go pear shaped.

But we don't know that it will, so we might as well be optimistic that we am get it right.

@Hearwego other countries managed it much better actually?! Even my home nation (wales) did their own thing given how ridiculous our rules were. It should have been stricter. I truly believe the death rate would have been much lower if he'd handled things better.

Watched Sir Patrick & Chris Whitty today giving evidence to a group of government people, you can watch it on You Tube. Chris Whitty said him & Patrick would be really surprised if they're was any significant treatment or vaccine available in the next 6 months. He said he'd be pleasantly surprised if there was. They all seemed to be very much planning for a winter surge.

I don't think but Johnson knows anything. I don't think the Oxford Vaccine people know yet either actually.

But, on the other hand, that doesn't mean a vaccine won't be approved in the autumn.

He is bumbling through this, has admitted they are longer following the science. Of course he was it over by Christmas so he can focus on the next mess, BREXIT.
Even if it’s good news about the vaccine not everyone will be vaccinated by then.

If we do get a vaccine this year it will only go to frontline and vulnerable which is fine my parents says they have nothing to lose !

It’s his standard m.o.; sound upbeat/don’t worry about inconvenient details/attack anybody who questions the reality as a doom monger.

He’s mistaking this as being like withdrawing from the EU & that he can force drawing a line under it because of boredom

Yeti, maybe so but hindsight is a wonderful
thing. I think it was inevitable that sadly people would die, who were mostly older people. Sad but not surprising.
We are also quite a small but well populated country, especially the SE.
I agree it should have been stricter, they should have closed the UK borders after bringing everyone back home, let’s say a two week notice period. Yes the aviation industry would have closed down, but it would have contained the virus better.
It seems madness that planes were still flying here during a lockdown.

@SunInTheSkyYouKnowHowIFeel

Watched Sir Patrick & Chris Whitty today giving evidence to a group of government people, you can watch it on You Tube. Chris Whitty said him & Patrick would be really surprised if they're was any significant treatment or vaccine available in the next 6 months. He said he'd be pleasantly surprised if there was. They all seemed to be very much planning for a winter surge.

Do you have a link to this on you tube please

I remember him saying jauntily that we'd send the virus packing in 12 weeks. It's possible he knows something, I suppose, but I very much doubt it. He can't bear being unpopular and is desperate to tell people what they want to hear.

As for this being an unprecedented situation where all countries will end up looking bad - no. We had weeks of notice from Europe. Italy was begging us to shut down. Spain was aghast when the fans arrived from Madrid to go to the pop concerts in England. Even loads of us in England were begging the government not to allow the Cheltenham races to go ahead - but, guess what, our government knew better. Until it was clear that we didn't. You can't just magic away a death rate that is way higher than any other country in Europe - we had warnings that other countries didn't have, and the government chose to ignore them for far too long.

Boris is accustomed to talking rubbish and it having no consequences. This is just another example. You'd be better listening to the WHO, Whitty and Vallance - none of whom think the UK or the world will be back to normal in November.