Boris announcement- November. Does he know something?

[Yetiyoga]

Not sure if this has been suggested. We are supposed to find out next week about how successful the Oxford vaccine has gone aren't we? Do you think Boris Johnson knows the result and that is why he thinks we could be back to normal by November / Christmas? Or am I being naive/ too optimistic?
I just can't see 'normal' by Christmas as things are currently. And I'm fairly relaxed about it all.
I have a first niece / nephew due late October so it would mean the world to be able to meet them this year.

You don’t need to vaccinate the vulnerable. If we could vaccinate 70% of the population (or maybe even less if we focused on those most at risk of spreading), we would probably achieve herd immunity.

I think if we get to September in a position where the full reopening of schools is possible as planned, after people have been on their holidays, spent their vouchers in the restaurants and been to the pub, theatres and cinemas have reopened plus the hairdressers etc without seeing any huge spike, there's no reason to think things can't be back to normal very soon afterwards.

Whether that will actually happen, I've no idea.

It does seem strange he is saying back to normal by Nov or Christmas when we have just heard a lot of stuff about a possible second wave over the winter. Whitty and Valance were talking about winter being the most risky time for respiratory viruses. Obviously we may be lucky and avoid that, but I don't think we should utterly discount the potential problems and say back to normal by Christmas unless there is some kind of medical treatment by then.

@Alloverthegrapevine

I think if we get to September in a position where the full reopening of schools is possible as planned, after people have been on their holidays, spent their vouchers in the restaurants and been to the pub, theatres and cinemas have reopened plus the hairdressers etc without seeing any huge spike, there's no reason to think things can't be back to normal very soon afterwards.

Whether that will actually happen, I've no idea.

there's no reason to think things can't be back to normal very soon afterwards

...apart from the fact that we know there is an incurable virus circulating and basically every medical expert expects winter to be worse than summer

What we all need to be doing is supplementing our vit d levels, unless for some reason you cant.:
labtestsonline.org.uk/news/covid-19-and-vitamin-d

I can't tell with some of 'getting back to normal' just means theatres, pubs, gyms etc are open. We can undoubtedly do that.

For me 'normal' means those places can be open without customers over 70 being at increased risk of serious illness if they go.

Genuine question - would you be wanting your 75+ parents to join you at the panto this year? I will be suggesting we just have a quiet evening in instead. Therefore: not normal.

He knows nothing except that people are not going back to work as quickly as he wants them to nor spending money on the high street
Hence.. He has run out of ideas so has signed off now and handed the responsibility to the employers and man in tbe street to just do their best
The man is an idiot
I see a definite likeness in attitude to his pal Donald Trump

Of course he doesn't. Remember at the start when he said it would all be over in 12 weeks? He hasn't got a clue.

We should of shut down a week earlier there is no doubt about that.
I do think there getting prepared earlier for the flu season as I have already had forms for my primary school children to have it done when they go back.
Very sensible as if we do have a covid spike (which come on is very likely even if its localised) then we also need to get flu under control esp if we have a bad flu season.
flu + covid will literally overwhelm our hospitals.
Even places like Australia that were doing well are having flare ups and are having local lockdowns.

What happened to the 5 tests, one of them was being certain that there would be no second spike? Suppose that’s all gone out the window too.

He's going against the advice of scientists to 'save the economy'. Obviously he's got to weigh up the economic factors and the scientists don't but it's a false economy if you're forced back to lockdown. Look at Florida or Texas.

I can imagine a scenario where Boris decides not to go for a mass lockdown over winter, but instead relies on social distancing and masks, and tolerates a certain amount of second spike.

The only real message I'm hearing from him is that he's bored and wants it all to go away.

The NHS is planning for a second surge simultaneously with winter flu so I can't see us whooping it up at Christmas and I'm not sure theatres and sports stadium are the way I'll be going, personally.

the only real message I'm hearing from him is that he's bored and wants it all to go away
Exactly this..
Boris doesn't do detail and definitely doesn't read reports and briefs, he's a lazy egotist who's gotten everything in life without putting in any work, I'm pretty sure he doesn't five a flying fuck about the people in this country.

@annabel he did not say it would be over in 12 weeks he said we would turn the tide... it is all IF as no one knows !

It hadn't crossed my mind that this could be anything other than Alexander's usual bullshit. Utter arse.

^ this. I think the problem is that people would expect the PM to have some sort of integrity, competence and work ethic so there is a permanent kind of cognitive dissonance going on when he speaks what is normally propagandist rubbish. Personally it is Whitty and Valance and other scientists that I will be listening to, and yes I think Johnson does not give a flying fuck.

If it's not written on one side of A4 in bullet pointed size 18 comic sans, Johnson isn't interested... unless of course he can use the info to impress stupid people who think he's a clever person.

This whole cabinet is not helping the reputation of Oxford uni.

[quote DebLou47]@annabel he did not say it would be over in 12 weeks he said we would turn the tide... it is all IF as no one knows ! [/quote]
He said he was confident we could send coronavirus packing in twelve weeks.

It was when he said it and clearly it has been shown to be nonsense.

I do think it’s hilarious that grown adults call people who follow the advice of highly educated and intelligent scientists “sheep”. What exactly do you think you are a fucking Lion? You’re exactly the same, except the advise you blindly follow is from Sandra doon the road who’s got 2 GCSEs and an asbo.

@Fieldofgreycorn

I can imagine a scenario where Boris decides not to go for a mass lockdown over winter, but instead relies on social distancing and masks, and tolerates a certain amount of second spike.

Of course he won't go for a mass lockdown, he won't lock down at all. He's delegated the powers to Local Authorities to implement local lockdowns, so responsibly is off him.

If the LAs do lock down and close businesses, there will be no furlough scheme or other support for businesses available this time round.

He's abdicated responsibility to employers and LEAs in the same way he's laid responsibilities at the door of care home staff, the whole aim Now is to blame anyone but themselves historically and for any future deaths.

Boris is a trumpy bullshitter, he'll say anything if it gets us too to fall in line with what's best for him 🙄

Boris' nasty little comment about care home staff was absolutely reprehensible especially after nurses had faithfully guarded him and kept him alive
Ungrateful little posh git ☹️

@HannahStern

This is the same Boris Johnson who tried to give us the impression he knew something last March when he happily told us: 'I was at a hospital where there were a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody'

Wasn't he going for solidarity with the people there? Catching it means he can truly empathise.

Or maybe not.

Just seems everyone is bashing Boris so I won't say anything more but no government has had to deal with a pandemic again and if it was Kier he would have been bashed too !!! The fact is no one knows what will happen and after yesterday I feel a bit more positive than doom and gloom