Face coverings to be made compulsory in England

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Sky News just reporting that from Friday 24 July it will be mandatory to wear a face mask in shops/stores in England. Fines of £100 if you don’t (reduces to £50 if payable within 2 weeks).

Exactly- look at Nazi Germany’s obedience to fascism in the 1930s. The nation adapted a regime which ultimately lead to ww2.
Having an obedient society is always a good thing. Otherwise where is free speech?*

wtf.
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I meant having an obedient society isn’t always a good thing. Unfortunately you cannot edit your posts on MN!

@BigChocFrenzy

No real drama, but maybe that's because they were brought in when deaths were still high
and now people are used to them*

Do people in Germany whinge and moan about masks, even if abiding by the rules, or it is just a non-issue.

I work in a supermarket and our security guard who is manning the door, letting customers in and out has said his company have said they cannot refuse to let people into the shop if they don't have a mask 🤔

I work in a supermarket and our security guard who is manning the door, letting customers in and out has said his company have said they cannot refuse to let people into the shop if they don't have a mask 🤔**

Considering a bus driver in France was killed from trying to enforce face coverings, I’m not surprised employers don’t want to put their staff in that position.
I’m not getting my face bashed in for anyone, I don’t get paid enough for that.

@Hearwego all's I'm trying to get at is if it's now going to be compulsory surely you shouldn't be allowed in somewhere without one?

Woo Hoo My bro just messaged me Hes bought me and DH five face shields.

I don't think we'll need to have enforcers on the door, anyone who enters a shop without proper coverings will be treated like a leper by all the other people in the premises
Social pressure from other people will do the work of the enforcers

High five for the face Shields Helena🖐️

Yep Face shields i will be fine with.

@ineedaholidaynow
And people saying RIP shops/High Street that will be down to you and people like you not going shopping

A lot of people will want to get their face mask off as soon as possible. Which will mean shortening their shopping trips. Thats just fact. And if you keep making comments like this along with the username you have, posters might start to think vulnerable people are not what you are really concerned about.

Im not saying that is what you are doing but ive seen a lot of people use the "its for the elderly/vulnerable/disabled when they
a. couldnt give a shit about them the rest of the time

b. then expect those same elderly/disabled people, the ones they claim this is all for to prove their disability/illness exemption time and time again.

Back to my first point. If we get a heatwave like we did the last week of June people will not be wandering up and down the high street with a bloody mask on, Thats just fact. .............be careful what you wish for, Because it only takes one person to collapse or worse, die from heat stroke and it will be Game Over for this whole thing.

I don't think we'll need to have enforcers on the door, anyone who enters a shop without proper coverings will be treated like a leper by all the other people in the premises

Perhaps people could learn to be more tolerant. Many of those not wearing masks will be doing so because they're exempt. The idea of being made to feel like a leper when you nip to Aldi is horrifying. Why is it suddenly ok to treat disabled people/those with health/MH issues this way? What's happened to people?

And you're right, you are made to feel like a leper - just as I was on the bus yesterday.

Back to my first point. If we get a heatwave like we did the last week of June people will not be wandering up and down the high street with a bloody mask on, Thats just fact. .............be careful what you wish for, Because it only takes one person to collapse or worse, die from heat stroke and it will be Game Over for this whole thing.

When we have hot weather the high street is usually affected as people pile onto the beaches.

Many very hot countries are wearing masks in public areas right now.

Do you mean Game Over for Covid ? Because that is a much bigger problem right now than heat stoke.

"Why is it suddenly ok to treat disabled people/those with health/MH issues this way? What's happened to people?"

Yes all this sudden concern for the "vulnerable"whilst simultaneously treating the vulnerable like shit. Many of the people who cannot wear masks are also in the clinically vulnerable group. Although it appears they should stay back in their box at home just incase they do anything that bothers anyone.

Sore ears?

Use ear savers - loads available online and they can help make the gaps at the sides better too
Or use a different style of covering rather than a mask - a neck gaitor style with filter, etc. All easily,available and not expensive.

Lung function?

Absolutely tons of videos online by medics showing that lung function and oxygen levels are not reduced when wearing a mask of facial covering.

Glasses steaming up?

Again, there are different styles which can help. The masks with hidden nose wires can help according to my parents.

There should be very few adults who can't wear one genuinely.
For others it may just be that they need a bit of time to get used to wearing them as they feel uncomfortable initially.

But the reality is that if you want to go our shopping (and most likely other indoor locations soon) and you don't have a genuine health issue or exemption, then you have no choice. Wear a mask and go out. Don't wear a mask and stay home.

Round here the elderly are already wearing masks when shopping. And the younger people are happily wearing them without complaint ( and not just because their face is Heiden so they can commit crimes as someone declared in another thread!) We have a lot of Asian students round here so they've always been wearing them. I've noticed a large proportion of the BAME population locally wearing them round and about town.

It appears to be the middle group - and I have to say the white British 30-50s type age of men and women doing the most complaining about it, based on my observations locally.

They're being worn around the world by adults and children alike. In most countries there hasn't been anywhere near this level of fuss at all. In some countries they're worn all,the time anyway and have been for years. Strangely they're not dropping like flies for years in end due to lack of oxygen.

Im starting to think that we need to be somewhat more resilient than we correctly are in this country.

Hancock is saying that masks aren't needed in offices or schools because you are in close proximity with the same people for long periods of time...... BUT are needed in shops because you have very short interactions with many people...... (where spread is supposed to be so much harder)

Can someone who is more awake than me please explain?

Isn’t prolonged contact where you’re more likely to get the virus though? I’m sure they said only recently that it was very unlikely you’d catch it from someone walking past you.

@InOutofmymind

Hancock is saying that masks aren't needed in offices or schools because you are in close proximity with the same people for long periods of time...... BUT are needed in shops because you have very short interactions with many people...... (where spread is supposed to be so much harder)

Can someone who is more awake than me please explain?

Uk government policy on masks is not about spreading covid.

It's about track and trace.

In other words they don't care if you don't wear one in places where your name and address can be recorded or you are a known associate.

What they care about is situations where you are coming into contact with strangers and they can't contact anyone you come into contact with if you do catch it.

It puts a rather different complexion on why they are not encouraging teachers and high school students to wear masks. It's not about well being, it's about the efficiency of their crap trace and track system.

Oh and the government being seen to do something.

I have seen talk that R rates are on the increase again in some areas. Not significantly but a slight tick upward. That's a concern, particularly in London. We have to wait and see if its the start of a trend or just a blip.

But the government wanting to open things up again has few options but this without imposing restrictions again.

But why do they have to wear masks in the NHS including those in admin roles so not dealing with patients?

Isn’t prolonged contact where you’re more likely to get the virus though? I’m sure they said only recently that it was very unlikely you’d catch it from someone walking past you.

Yes, the chances of catching it in a shop passing by someone are very slim. I think it’s more about creating a culture of face mask wearing so:

1. we continue to “stay alert”.... the danger is that we all just revert completely back to normal and before we know it Covid growth becomes exponential again.... and

2. people are more likely to wear them when at close quarters such as hairdressers, where on another thread someone posted that two hairdressers in the US became infected - one probably passing to the other while socialising during a break) but none of their 130+ clients did whilst both hairdresser and client wearing masks.... If that had happened at one those hairdressers in the U.K. that haven’t bothered with PPE beyond a token bottle hand sanitizer on the counter, that itself could easily seed a widespread community outbreak that would in a couple of weeks lead to a local lockdown.

The reality of what the government has done is going to hit in winter when people are queuing outside the supermarket in the cold and rain with their masks on with millions of people out of work and Christmas around the corner.

Infections are falling, hospital admissions are falling, deaths are falling.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The economy has been completely destroyed and millions of people (especially the young) have had their whole lives torn apart For no good reason. It has been apparent for quite a while who the most vulnerable groups are but rather than throw the sink at protecting them we have used a sledgehammer to crack a nut. The face covering fiasco is just another sign that the government has no idea how to get out of this mess. There is no clear exit strategy and no hope.

The government did such a good job of scaring everyone to death they are now unable to unscare everyone and are desperately trying to find a way of doing so - which is just creating more confusion and worry

It's just a piece of fabric @AlecTrevelyan006, and stop the dramatics. Yes, it's been incredibly crap for millions of people, and it will take a long time to recover, but it's the same the world over. Your ignorant comment about the over 90s is pretty gross, and misinformed. Wearing masks is a way to try and keep transmissions low so that we don't go through this shit again.

@Fuckinellitsme

I don't think we'll need to have enforcers on the door, anyone who enters a shop without proper coverings will be treated like a leper by all the other people in the premises

Perhaps people could learn to be more tolerant. Many of those not wearing masks will be doing so because they're exempt. The idea of being made to feel like a leper when you nip to Aldi is horrifying. Why is it suddenly ok to treat disabled people/those with health/MH issues this way? What's happened to people?

And you're right, you are made to feel like a leper - just as I was on the bus yesterday.

The fact that people who are exempt on medical grounds will be pressured to feel like they need to reveal their personal medical condition to a complete stranger due to harassment is just appalling.