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Face coverings to be made compulsory in England

469 replies

Redolent · 13/07/2020 22:46

Sky News just reporting that from Friday 24 July it will be mandatory to wear a face mask in shops/stores in England. Fines of £100 if you don’t (reduces to £50 if payable within 2 weeks).

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RedToothBrush · 14/07/2020 00:49

@Nobodyputsdaisyinthecorner

I feel shop workers should have the right to refuse to serve anyone without a mask if they wish but they absolutely should not be expected or mandated to get involved with every dispute and report about someone not wearing one. That’s not their job. They work hard enough.
Refusing the right to serve is fine, but becomes problematic if there is a lot of people in the queue and the person kicks off and the manager is dealing with something else. At least they have a big perspex sheet to hide behind these days...
LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 14/07/2020 00:50

I’d feel awkward being in a busy shop with people looking at me suspiciously, if I was exempt

Same
This is why Judgy Pants do my head in, keep seeing on FB "not wearing mask shaming" posts - how about just mind your own fucking business Sad

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2020 00:56

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

I’d feel awkward being in a busy shop with people looking at me suspiciously, if I was exempt

Same
This is why Judgy Pants do my head in, keep seeing on FB "not wearing mask shaming" posts - how about just mind your own fucking business Sad

You mean like a load of the posters on this thread who are incapable of grasping why people don't support the policy without question or think about the unintended side effects which are much more likely in the UK than other countries precisely because of our lack of spontaneous take up of masks, and the underlying reasons behind this...
Frozenfrogs86 · 14/07/2020 00:56

We need track and trace working properly. This obfuscation.

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2020 00:59

@Frozenfrogs86

We need track and trace working properly. This obfuscation.
BINGO!

Exactly this.

FWIW, I think people need to think about how this policy is flawed, even if it is the best option going and the science supports it, because of who it is going to negatively affect the most.

sergeilavrov · 14/07/2020 01:03

I live and work in policy in a country where masks were made mandatory after the initial wave - this was done to ensure that all PPE could be directed to medical staff and policing when there was a global shortage. Generally, everyone complies - and they’ve named and shamed those who don’t, along with their fine.

Shops have a member of staff ensuring people have them going in, and people are turned away if not. Only need to phone the police if people kick off (here, this never happens as the standard of conduct here is high).

I wear glasses, so my mask has a good quality wire in it. If classes fog up, it’s not being worn properly which is a good sign. Even those who have makeshift masks or improperly fitted ones are at least reducing the spray of particles compared to no PPE at all. We just want to starve the virus of hosts, such that it dies. It has been very successful here.

We have had less financial support from the government than the UK has provided (in fact, everyone is using the UK as an example of good conduct, funny how perceptions differ internationally). However, money has been spent on testing every resident repeatedly (smaller population) combined with curfews and street cleaning, social distancing. Social distancing is enforced here by restaurants blocking off seats, and fining establishments who don’t. I’d be happy to answer practicality questions if that would be helpful.

Tavannach · 14/07/2020 01:08

The thing is the people that are exempt will
stand out and may feel embarrassed to not wear a mask, or be abused for it. Maybe those people will feel uncomfortable going to the shops?
I’d feel awkward being in a busy shop with people looking at me suspiciously, if I was exempt.

This is exactly how I feel. I have a respiratory illness which can be severe, but you can't tell by looking. I've been practicing wearing a mask around the house and honestly it makes it harder to breathe. But I'd rather wear one than not if it's mandatory because it will upset other people.
I don't understand the people who don't seem to realise that the virus is still live and that there could well be a second wave in the winter.

HeIenaDove · 14/07/2020 01:11

I have visions of the little old lady who can't afford a mask / or get a mask before the deadline / or has a genuine exemption being refused entry to a shop for food (or even to purchase a mask) and becoming very distressed

My 84 year old mum shops in our local Tesco and is very vocal about how brilliant they have been.....................

HeIenaDove · 14/07/2020 01:14

@RedToothBrush The whole face mask issue has shown me that the hard left are just as dangerous to disabled people, ill people and the elderly, as the hard right.

betteliefsen · 14/07/2020 01:14

What's it got to do with politics ? Hmm

DontWantToAdult · 14/07/2020 01:15

How about a shield for people that are asthmatic / deaf or shop workers that work very hard....

Its not as good as a mask but surely will still help to a certain extent

HeIenaDove · 14/07/2020 01:16

There was someone on another thread on here saying she would covertly film anyone on public transport not wearing one so id assume shed do the same in a shop/supermarket.

notangelinajolie · 14/07/2020 01:22

So many replies. And mine will probably be lost among them all but I'll say my bit and say - good.

I do hope there is some government guidance on how to wear a mask. I've seen lots of idiots wearing masks that don't cover their noses.

I believe this is why the masks weren't thought to be a good idea by the scientists in the early days.

PestymcPestFace · 14/07/2020 01:26

Just think how much safer disabled people, ill people and the elderly will be when they are free to shop with a greatly reduced risk factor. If they need help acquiring a face covering their local mask tree will be able to help.

Tavannach · 14/07/2020 01:29

It is curious that Rishi gave us all a discount on eating out in August rather than giving everyone hard cash to buy a mask from a High Street supplier like Boots.

HeIenaDove · 14/07/2020 01:29

Yes im sure the disabled man who was filmed on the bus by a so called healthcare professional felt all warm and cosy inside.

HeIenaDove · 14/07/2020 01:31

Boots need it tbh Make up is hardly going to be flying off the shelves with face masks being worn.

Guylan · 14/07/2020 01:32

Good. The science has been steadily building to show if used by many they can be a measure to reduce - not eradicate - community transmission. Appreciate reduction would be even higher if used in pubs and restaurants but better than nothing.

The most important thing though is the English govt setting up an effective track, trace and trace system. Scotland are doing better on this than England. English public health and local authority tracers contracting more than the private companies hired by the govt.

HeIenaDove · 14/07/2020 01:33

You mean like this @PestymcPestFace

www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/disability-horncastle-blue-badge-4313613.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

Woman with hidden disabilities left in tears after being abused over parking in disabled space
One in five people in the UK suffer with some form of disability

A young woman has spoken out about the abuse she received from a stranger for parking in a disabled spot - because she 'didn't look disabled'.

Sophie Ann Thomas was left in tears after she was called 'disgusting' and accused of 'scamming the council' by a stranger who didn't believe she was disabled.

The 24-year old, who suffers from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome and tendinitis in her hips, is one of the 70 per cent of disabled people whose condition is not visible.

She was walking back to her car at a car park in Horncastle, when a woman approached her and started taking pictures.

"I was with my mum and she nipped to the toilets while I got in the car," said Sophie.

"I could see the woman from afar shaking her head at me, but after my mum had gone to the toilet, she came over and started taking pictures
When my mum got back, I told her and my mum went over to the woman. I got out the car and went with her to talk to the woman.

"I tried to explain to her about my disabilities and that's when she called me disgusting.

I showed her my blue badge, but she wouldn't believe me. She just told me that I must have scammed the council."

Sophie's various conditions mean that she is often in pain and her tendinitis means her hips regularly 'lock' leaving her unable to walk or move.

She says often faces discrimination when she's out and about on her 'good days' as people assume she doesn't have a disability based on her outward appearance.

"I do get a lot of stares whenever I go out, said Sophie.

"Whether it's when I'm parking in a disabled spot or using the disabled toilets, because I don't 'look' disabled people immediately jump to conclusions."

It's estimated one in five people in the UK have a disability and seven out of ten of them have impairments which are not visible to the naked eye.

In August last year, the government's blue badge scheme was extended to support those with 'hidden disabilities'.

Under the new guidance, parking permits were extended to those with hidden disabilities, including people who cannot travel without risk of serious harm to their health and safety or someone else's, people who cannot travel without 'very considerable psychological distress', people who have very considerable difficulty when walking, meaning 'both the physical act and experience of walking'.

Sophie says it's the lack of public awareness surrounding hidden disabilities that leads to the abuse she has faced.
The woman who called me disgusted was shocked that I could walk, said Sophie.

"People have this misconception that disabled people should be in a wheelchair, locked away at home.

"I have good days. I go to work. I even sometimes look nice and wear make-up. But when I do these things, people look at me and judge me. It's like people believe disabled people shouldn't have a life."

Sophie says she wishes people could see her on her bad days, when she is unable to get out of bed or even lift her arms to wash her hair, so people could understand.

There are days when my mum has to wash my hair, because it hurts to lift my arms, said Sophie.

"There are days when my mum has to bring me food and drink to my room because I can barely sit up in bed.

"You have to jump through so many hoops to get a blue badge, it isn't just handed over.

"I think it's getting better. The younger generations are becoming more aware of disabilities. It's about raising the awareness."

notangelinajolie · 14/07/2020 01:34

Supermarkets will be handing out free masks to those that don't have them.

HeIenaDove · 14/07/2020 01:34

@PestymcPestFace I hope that its just naivety on your part.

Guylan · 14/07/2020 01:36

Further to my comment above when I wrote ‘ Appreciate reduction would be even higher if used in pubs and restaurants but better than nothing’ - realise not feasible in pubs and restaurants whilst eating and drinking.

EmMac7 · 14/07/2020 01:37

Perhaps a pin/badge for those that are exempt?

Pixxie7 · 14/07/2020 01:43

I will obviously wear one, I just wish the government would be consistent. I take it that schools are still exempt which makes no sense to me.

instaclicks · 14/07/2020 01:45

@EmMac7 like these ffs Hmm en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge