If face masks are made mandatory...

[CathyandHeathcliff]

How long do people suspect they will be needed / kept mandatory?

@vanillandhoney this whole pandemic has shown the worst in human behaviour. And I don’t mean the non mask wearers. I mean the people who by trying to show how unselfish and oh so caring they are about everyone else are absolute cunts to and about other people. It started with the curtain twitchers, the Easter egg police and the shopping basket and frequency Stasi and has now moved on to how “nobody else” is social distancing except and now the mask gestapo. Just fuck off and do what you can do and leave everyone else alone.

TrustTheGeneGenie why are you making the same stupid comment as billy’upthread?

Can you explain to me how Sleepingpup wanting to use masks (which protects the people around them) means that they want pensioners to be dying in large numbers?

Come at someone with a well thought out argument at least, not this playground bollocks.

[quote FizzFan]@vanillandhoney this whole pandemic has shown the worst in human behaviour. And I don’t mean the non mask wearers. I mean the people who by trying to show how unselfish and oh so caring they are about everyone else are absolute cunts to and about other people. It started with the curtain twitchers, the Easter egg police and the shopping basket and frequency Stasi and has now moved on to how “nobody else” is social distancing except and now the mask gestapo. Just fuck off and do what you can do and leave everyone else alone.[/quote]
Well said

@TaxTheRatFarms

TrustTheGeneGenie why are you making the same stupid comment as billy’upthread?

Can you explain to me how Sleepingpup wanting to use masks (which protects the people around them) means that they want pensioners to be dying in large numbers?

Come at someone with a well thought out argument at least, not this playground bollocks.

What stupid comment?

It's very obvious that a good few posters are really relishing the deaths as an opportunity to judge, berate and shout down others.

Wearing a mask yourself, wont protect you from those who dont wear a mask though

This is why the masks issue is so contentious, as people just dont understand it

I understand it.

It will protect me more than not wearing a mask at all (tight fitting, 2 layers of fabric - one absorbent, the other moisture repellent, 5 layer non-woven filter inside it.). I social distance as much as I can, I do not touch things I will not be buying, I work in a pharmacy and know how to use and remove a mask, so will continue.

For all of you who can’t wear masks for medical or mental health reasons - if I was in your position I’d be mildly annoyed by all the goody two shoes telling me to wear a mask, but really annoyed at all the people not wearing masks because they think it’s the back door into a Stasi state. or a muzzle, or the government are forcing us to be like China, or they’re eroding our rights and giving non-mask wearers a “bad” reputation that you don’t deserve.

I’m in Scotland where a face covering in shops became mandatory as of yesterday - with exemptions for people who can’t wear one.
I went shopping in the afternoon, as I have done every Friday since the start of lockdown in March, and the supermarket was busier than it has been any week before.
I only saw one person not in a mask - and everyone seemed to be managing fine, and were quite good humoured about it.
The supermarket has removed the one way signage on the floor, although they are still encouraging 2m social distancing.
It seemed more “normal” than it has up til now even though everyone had a face covering, so I’m not sure that the suggestions that all retail will suffer if customers are forced to wear masks are actually correct.

Also....this.

[quote FizzFan]@vanillandhoney this whole pandemic has shown the worst in human behaviour. And I don’t mean the non mask wearers. I mean the people who by trying to show how unselfish and oh so caring they are about everyone else are absolute cunts to and about other people. It started with the curtain twitchers, the Easter egg police and the shopping basket and frequency Stasi and has now moved on to how “nobody else” is social distancing except and now the mask gestapo. Just fuck off and do what you can do and leave everyone else alone.[/quote]
Best post I’ve seen in a long while. There is a certain type of person who has absolutely loved judging their friends, family, neighbours and complete strangers about how well they have complied. Of the people who have behaved like this on social media - don’t expect people to forget your obnoxious behaviour any time soon.

The lack of mandatory mask wearing isn't killing pensioners as fast as you wish it was.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

this comment I think. very nasty.

I'm just echoing what I said on another thread.

Whatever people feel or think about mask wearing it is important not to lose sight of the guidelines. People should not be made to feel like cunts for following them. Exemptions have been written in and regardless of what people think they are what matter. England, if they follow, will no doubt have similar....

•	children under 5 years of age
•	police constables or workers such as paramedics acting in the course of their duty 
•	staff such as drivers or checkout assistants who are physically separated, by means of, for example, screens, from passengers or customers
•	shop workers if they maintain a 2 metre distance from customers or members of the public

You may also have a reasonable excuse not to wear a face covering if, for example:
• you have a health condition or you are disabled and a face covering would be inappropriate because it would cause difficulty, pain or severe distress or anxiety or because you cannot apply a covering and wear it in the proper manner safely and consistently. Individual discretion should be applied in considering the use of face coverings for other children including, for example, children with breathing difficulties and disabled children who would struggle to wear a face covering
• you need to eat or drink
• you are taking medication
• you are communicating with someone else who relies on lip reading
• a relevant person, such as a police officer, asks you to remove your face covering

[quote FizzFan]@vanillandhoney this whole pandemic has shown the worst in human behaviour. And I don’t mean the non mask wearers. I mean the people who by trying to show how unselfish and oh so caring they are about everyone else are absolute cunts to and about other people. It started with the curtain twitchers, the Easter egg police and the shopping basket and frequency Stasi and has now moved on to how “nobody else” is social distancing except and now the mask gestapo. Just fuck off and do what you can do and leave everyone else alone.[/quote]
Well said. I'm presuming they have always been like this but haven't had an excuse to show their true colours before.

Fabellini What, scientifically, is that poster trying to tell me? Because I am sure we all know that we cannot see Covid particles.

If you have real problems you can get an exemption; for those who just don't like the feel of a mask, if you try it you do get used to them after a few 'wears'. And I am sure those who are giving up shopping completely will eventually venture out...we can't live abnormal lives forever....

Yes, you can get an exemption, but it's largely irrelevant because Jo Bloggs who judges you doesn't actually give a shit about that. People with autism, asthma and PTSD don't look disabled or unwell - they're just normal people. People look at you, assume you're healthy, and think you're just selfish.

And your comment about venturing out eventually - if masks are made mandatory and continue to be made mandatory, I'll be staying home and doing my shopping online. Luckily I can do my job as I work outdoors and with animals, not people, but I imagine a lot of people with various health conditions will struggle to remain employed if mask-wearing indoors is made compulsory.

TrustTheGeneGenie

What stupid comment

This one: “The lack of mandatory mask wearing isn't killing pensioners as fast as you wish it was.”

How is sleepingpup wishing that pensioners were dying in large numbers? Because she wants to wear a mask, which reduces transmission, which will protect vulnerable people like pensioners?

It's very obvious that a good few posters are really relishing the deaths as an opportunity to judge, berate and shout down others

I can’t see any here relishing deaths. Do you have any examples in case I’ve missed anything?

People advocating the use of masks rather like the fact that it can reduce transmission and save lives, so that seems like a very strange conclusion to come to.

@gotothecooler

I'm just echoing what I said on another thread.

Whatever people feel or think about mask wearing it is important not to lose sight of the guidelines. People should not be made to feel like cunts for following them. Exemptions have been written in and regardless of what people think they are what matter. England, if they follow, will no doubt have similar....

•	children under 5 years of age
•	police constables or workers such as paramedics acting in the course of their duty 
•	staff such as drivers or checkout assistants who are physically separated, by means of, for example, screens, from passengers or customers
•	shop workers if they maintain a 2 metre distance from customers or members of the public

You may also have a reasonable excuse not to wear a face covering if, for example:
• you have a health condition or you are disabled and a face covering would be inappropriate because it would cause difficulty, pain or severe distress or anxiety or because you cannot apply a covering and wear it in the proper manner safely and consistently. Individual discretion should be applied in considering the use of face coverings for other children including, for example, children with breathing difficulties and disabled children who would struggle to wear a face covering
• you need to eat or drink
• you are taking medication
• you are communicating with someone else who relies on lip reading
• a relevant person, such as a police officer, asks you to remove your face covering

The problem is as we have seen all through this pandemic is that certain people like to make up their own rules and do not read what is actually written down and official. These people will feel the need to impose their rules on other people as they have been throughout.

[quote FizzFan]@vanillandhoney this whole pandemic has shown the worst in human behaviour. And I don’t mean the non mask wearers. I mean the people who by trying to show how unselfish and oh so caring they are about everyone else are absolute cunts to and about other people. It started with the curtain twitchers, the Easter egg police and the shopping basket and frequency Stasi and has now moved on to how “nobody else” is social distancing except and now the mask gestapo. Just fuck off and do what you can do and leave everyone else alone.[/quote]
This absolutely this^^

There is no choice here, you are not allowed to enter any shop or enclosed public space without a mask, or the police will be called.

I’d rather have a more normal life wearing a mask than lockdown, which is going to hurt the economy more? Lockdown when at times we weren’t allowed to leave our home town, or being able to go to shops and restaurants wearing a mask?

@TaxTheRatFarms

TrustTheGeneGenie

What stupid comment

This one: “The lack of mandatory mask wearing isn't killing pensioners as fast as you wish it was.”

How is sleepingpup wishing that pensioners were dying in large numbers? Because she wants to wear a mask, which reduces transmission, which will protect vulnerable people like pensioners?

It's very obvious that a good few posters are really relishing the deaths as an opportunity to judge, berate and shout down others

I can’t see any here relishing deaths. Do you have any examples in case I’ve missed anything?

People advocating the use of masks rather like the fact that it can reduce transmission and save lives, so that seems like a very strange conclusion to come to.

There's examples all over this thread, and many others. People rubbing their hands together at the thought of a second wave so they can shout at and blame others.

They were the same posters shouting stay the fuck at home and telling people off for things that were absolutely fine to do.

Those who will refuse to shop just because they have to wear a mask, without a good reason, almost seem to delight in the effect it will have on the economy, bonkers

@sleepingpup

The lack of mandatory mask wearing isn't killing pensioners as fast as you wish it was.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

this comment I think. very nasty.

Many of your comments, very nasty.

I would be more inclined to go out shopping if masks were compulsory for those who can wear them. As masks are more effective at stopping you spreading it than catching it, me wearing a mask doesn’t have a significant impact on my risk (although I’m willing to take even a small improvement) so I’d feel safer if most people were wearing them. It is the lack of mask wearing that is putting me off going out and about at the moment.

@Costacoffeeplease

There is no choice here, you are not allowed to enter any shop or enclosed public space without a mask, or the police will be called.

I’d rather have a more normal life wearing a mask than lockdown, which is going to hurt the economy more? Lockdown when at times we weren’t allowed to leave our home town, or being able to go to shops and restaurants wearing a mask?

So fuck the disabled, people with autism, people with PTSD or COPD or asthma? They can just stay indoors 24/7 and not go anywhere?

What an appalling law.

The First Minister and the clinical director yesterday clearly felt the need to tell random people it wasn’t for them to police mask wearing. They must have considered there was a risk of people doing exactly that to have mentioned it in the first place.

I had to wear a mask to go to the hospital and Fainted so won't catch me putting one on again.