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If face masks are made mandatory...

442 replies

CathyandHeathcliff · 10/07/2020 21:00

How long do people suspect they will be needed / kept mandatory?

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HeIenaDove · 11/07/2020 15:05

@mum2jakie @ineedaholidaynow That was me. A helpful RGN on here advised me to use hibiscrub. However i will reiterate that im not willing to apply a pre op scrub just to use the high street. I will do it if i have to enter a medical setting. But not the high street , Im not smothering myself in a pre op scrub just to go buy a top!! Tesco will be where i do my shop. For essentials only and if i rush like a blue arsed fly i can be in and out within half an hour. I told my family last week that i WONT be doing any Christmas shopping this year for adults or children so not to reciprocate. Because ive reached the end of my tether with the stress this has caused.

My impetigo was recurrent Five times in nine years and have been free of it for nearly six years. Stress and humidity were the causes. And our wonderful Public Health England dont want to prescribe antibiotics anymore for this highly contagious skin condition.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/clinical/clinical-specialties/prescribing/gps-should-not-prescribe-antibiotics-for-impetigo-says-nice/20039181.article

GPs should not prescribe antibiotics for impetigo, says NICE
14 August 2019 By Beth Gault

The guidelines, from NICE and Public Health England (PHE), say that GPs should recommend topical antiseptic instead of antibiotics, with the aim of reducing antimicrobial resistance.

It found that antiseptics, such as hydrogen peroxide 1% cream, were just as effective as topical antibiotics and therefore should be prescribed instead.

However, the guidelines state that GPs can still prescribe an oral antibiotic if the non-bullous impetigo is widespread, or the patient is systematically unwell or at risk of complications.

Non-bullous impetigo is the more common form of skin infection, usually starting with a rash of small, pus-filled blisters, compared to bullous impetigo, which presents with sores and intact blisters, according to the British Skin Foundation.

It is highly infectious and although usually clears up within two to three weeks without treatment, it is usually treated with an antibiotic to prevent the spread of infection and speed up recovery, according to NICE.

A spokesperson from NICE said: ‘NICE now say that topical antiseptics should be offered to people with localised, non-bullous impetigo if they aren’t systemically unwell or at risk of developing any complications.

If antiseptic treatment is not suitable, or a person has widespread non-bullous impetigo, a topical antibiotic should be given instead (fusidic acid 2%). An oral antibiotic (flucloxacillin) is also an option for people with widespread non-bullous impetigo and should be given first line if the person has bullous impetigo or if they are systemically unwell or at risk of developing any complications.’

The guidance also included that GPs should not combine a topical and oral antibiotic to treat impetigo, as using both is ‘no more effective’ than using one.

It follows a pledge by the Government to cut antibiotics prescribing by a further 15%.

David Banner | GP Partner/Principal14 Aug 2019 5:21pm

I’m sure that those impetigo patients subsequently admitted with “sepsis” will be perfectly satisfied that their GP failed to prescribe an antibiotic

Nick Mann | Salaried GP15 Aug 2019 1:02pm

Facial impetigo is likely to represent URT carriage of pathogenic Staph/Strep
Topical treatment of any kind does nothing to address this
The patient remains a risk to themselves and to any contacts
Cases of neumonia, sepsis and scarlet fever have increased. Who is researching the impact/harms of not treating?
Too many agenda guidelines based on too little medical evidence.

Carpe vinum! | GP Partner/Principal15 Aug 2019 1:59pm

and then what about school absence? The HPA advice is exclusion from school until 48 hours after antibiotics commenced, or until lesions have crusted and healed. So parents to keep kids off school for 2-3 weeks under the above guidance - I'm sure that's going to go down well on the school attendance record

cyclingmad · 11/07/2020 15:07

I just won't go to the shops and have things delivered. I do not want to wear a 😷 given that we are not wearing the proper one that actually stop virus getting through. See people wearing them, touching them then half removing to tall...literally what is the point then?

I've been into m&s for food shop zwro socal dostancing its been a month and they haven't had to shut because of an outbreak and majority werent wearing masks so again I won't be either.

If I have to go to the office I'll just cycle their instead.

lljkk · 11/07/2020 15:08

What country do you live in, AgentProvacteur?

AgentProvocateur · 11/07/2020 15:12

UAE, @lljkk.

lljkk · 11/07/2020 15:13

How much time did you spend this week in un-air-conditioned places, AP?

ScribblyGum · 11/07/2020 15:16

I thought this webinar by Prof Trisha Greenhalgh (from 25mins onwards) a good listen. She discusses the pro and anti mask arguments and makes an excellent reasoned case for mask wearing.

HeIenaDove · 11/07/2020 15:22

Those who will refuse to shop just because they have to wear a mask, without a good reason, almost seem to delight in the effect it will have on the economy, bonkers

Fucking idiotic comment but at least you are more honest than some of the others on here have been. The ones who have still moaned at those who struggle to wear masks even when they have said they will stay home. Both choices will reduce transmission so whats the problem. Well it is illustrated in the above bolded comment. People dont really just want transmission reduced on its own. They want you to reduce transmission AND spend. The former on its own isnt good enough which betrays their true motives. Its also why they are berating people with medical conditions who cant wear masks. Disabled Lives Matter not being "trendy" enough is why they feel confident enough to show these attitudes.

megletthesecond · 11/07/2020 15:35

Here's an idea, all of us who wear masks can shop in the morning. We aren't likely to pass anything on to each other that way.

People who don't want to wear masks can shop in the afternoon.

Or odd days mask wearers, even days non mask wearers. That way we all have a choice.

My0My · 11/07/2020 15:54

We have been shopping in supermarkets for months (my local two are really small) without passing anything on. Less than 10% wearing masks around here in a countryside area. We just don’t feel threatened and stats say we probably haven’t been even when the virus was taking hold elsewhere.

My0My · 11/07/2020 15:54

Actually I agree about different days. Let’s have choice. Fair enough.

HeIenaDove · 11/07/2020 15:55

Those who will refuse to shop just because they have to wear a mask, without a good reason, almost seem to delight in the effect it will have on the economy, bonkers

Our Boots is a smaller one so could well be one of the ones that closes. Which means we will have to try and move DHs prescriptions to another pharmacy. (he has COPD , ischemic heart disease and arthritis. Our surgery is Virgin Care so this would/ will be a right ball ache.

DB is a senior caster and it looks like he will be redundant by the end of the month.

No one relishes things like this.

My0My · 11/07/2020 15:55

Also I can say there are many eminent people who disagree with masks. Just quoting one professor who supports you isn’t presenting the full picture.

bigknickersbigknockers · 11/07/2020 16:02

Can someone please explain why we should wear masks in shops but not pubs, cafes or restaurants? If they become mandatory I will have to wear one but will be seriously limiting visits to shops because of this.

My0My · 11/07/2020 16:12

Well it doesn’t appear to have an explanation does it? This is because it’s political and panders to public opinion: which is, of course, fickle.

gotothecooler · 11/07/2020 16:13

Can someone please explain why we should wear masks in shops but not pubs, cafes or restaurants?

Nobody can explain this. It is simply more nonsensical government crap.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 11/07/2020 16:16

Is hayfever not a thing in Japan because that's my biggest issue, not colds and such like.

Anecdotal evidence but, my hay fever has been better this year since I’ve been wearing a mask. Touch wood, I might get away without the normal course of Pred that use when the hay fever sets my asthma off.

AgentProvocateur · 11/07/2020 16:16

@lljkk a 15 minute walk to work and back every day, and a pool day yesterday. And, yes, we even wear masks at the pool (but not in the water)

Randomnessembraced · 11/07/2020 16:22

I think it should become mandatory everywhere for everyone over a certain age as at the moment so many people are still embarrassed to wear one because it is “weird”. Of course there need to be some exceptions like very young children, people who cannot wear them for psychological reasons. I would be happy to wear masks to stop others getting ill who might be at risk and to make sure the health service is protected. I also think we are all going to need to be extra vigilant not to pass on flu etc in the autumn so masks and extra hygiene could help with that too.

Spasandstripes · 11/07/2020 16:24

I think it should become mandatory everywhere for everyone over a certain age

What, even outdoors where the risk of transmission is basically zero?

ScribblyGum · 11/07/2020 16:27

@My0My
[[https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-c-facemasks.pdf?la=en-GB&hash=A22A87CB28F7D6AD9BD93BBCBFC2BB24]] is the 37 page Royal Society rapid review on face coverings for the general public.

It has been prepared and commented upon by 13 UK professors from various respected institutions.

Summary points are:
• Cloth face coverings are effective in reducing source virus transmission, i.e., outward protection of others, when they are of optimal material and construction (high grade cotton, hybrid and multilayer) and fitted correctly and for source protection of the wearer.
• Socio-behavioural factors are vital to understanding public adherence to wearing face masks and coverings, including public understanding of virus transmission, risk perception, trust, altruism, individual traits, perceived barriers.
• Face masks and coverings cannot be seen in isolation but are part of ‘policy packages’ and it is imperative to review interrelated non-pharmaceutical interventions in tandem including hand hygiene, sanitizers and social distancing when maintaining the 2 metre or 1 metre+ distancing rule is not possible.
• Consistent and effective public messaging is vital to public adherence of wearing face masks and coverings. Conflicting policy advice generates confusion and lack of compliance. Populations without a previous history of mask wearing have rapidly adopted face coverings during the COVID-19 period.

For full clarity it is in pre-print stage and has yet to be peer reviewed.

gotothecooler · 11/07/2020 16:32

I think it should become mandatory everywhere for everyone over a certain age as at the moment so many people are still embarrassed to wear one because it is “weird”.

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Iverunoutofnames · 11/07/2020 16:39

Surely people touching their masks and taking them on and off, then touching items is worse?
DH wears masks at work, he said it took him a long time to train himself not to touch them at all.
If he does he has to decontaminate.
Same with gloves, if you don’t know how to remove and use properly they might be spreading more.

I’d prefer people kept their distance (obv not on public transport. I’m sick of people standing right behind me in queues now.

EnlightenedOwl · 11/07/2020 16:40

@KayEngel

Final straw for me. I'm not shopping except online until normality returns....apart from the supermarket once a week. I can't fucking take anymoreSad
I'm with you on this
Pause · 11/07/2020 17:08

Just to all the full time glasses wearers who are struggling with steamed up lenses, don’t give up, it is possible to make it work. The first mask I wore I had this problem, but now have one a friend made which has a wire nose grip sewn in, and have no problem now with wearing it with my glasses, no steamed up lenses. It’s made of cotton and washes fine at 60 degrees.

I hope more people will begin to think of masks in a kind way as wearing one is a help to others, especially those more vulnerable, and is part of the community effort to stop the spread of the virus. I totally understand some people can’t wear them, but if you can please give it a try. Best wishes all