Schools guidance released

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53253722

No dropping of subjects at GCSE then. Posting for info

Messageinateacup

I think that she is just buying into the narrative set by some of the TB posters on here.

Teachers who are truly scared that they will get Covid and die will have to get a sick note for their health anxiety or resign.
We crack on with the business at hand.
I can't be bothered looking back for the name of the callous bitch who could write that post. Adults who are currently shielding or vulnerable for a whole host of conditions will be expected back in school, and this is nothing to do with "health anxiety". Way to go to belittle the ill or disabled

@UmbrellaHat - none of my students laugh at me and expect to survive. I don’t do cute, I don’t do cuddly, they do work and they get grades. 😈

For those who think your children will be scared by a teacher wearing a mask, perhaps you might consider how much more damaging it is for students if a teacher dies or becomes seriously and permanently ill, perhaps even because of them.

Why that should be at the risk of staff safety, the safety of the children and the community , I just don't get.

You do realise that Covid is never ever going to go away. It is in genearl circulation across the world and you will never ever be able to make any environment anywhere completly risk free. Sadly that means some places are going to be more risky than others given the nature of their purpose (ie schools) and concessions will have to be made because unless teachers are prepared to work with what they have got (i.e shit old buildings, lack of space etc etc) then the children are never ever going to return because there simply isnt the money nor the staffing to create an extra school for each and every school in the country to enable social distancing to be carried out. By all means, wear a visor at the front of your classroom if thats what you want to do but exactly what other (workable) options do you propose

@HipTightOnions

I think 'm intelligent enough to know a teacher is in a classroom with children and to try and think of ideas. How is this being such a problem for you? Are you saying I shouldnt comment because im not a teacher? Im a parent of children that this affects directly. Why are you being so difficult?

Because we’ve heard it all before. Because schools ARE trying really hard to find ways to get children back safely. Because the ideas are daft and unworkable. Because of the arrogance of it.

I know “a police officer is in the street with criminals”. I know “a doctor is in a hospital with patients”. Should I give them helpful ideas about how to do their jobs?

No problem. I will leave you all to it to come up with the ideas - no worries, was just trying to make suggestions and those weren't about telling you "how to do your job" I know nothing about teaching kids, it was just throwing out some ideas like if you need to sit next to a child to read could a visor or screen not be used? Good luck with it.

[quote Messageinateacup]@palacegirl77 you genuinely think teachers have only been working on days they have been in with the keyworker hubs? You cannot be that poorly informed surely. [/quote]
on site yes, the rest working from home planning im assuming?

Why would anyone argue against masks and temperature checks for schools?

I’d argue against it because I don’t want to wear a mask all day, so I couldn’t expect children to want to either. And as plenty of children are already back in school without masks it wouldn’t be fair to make them start now. Too much facial expression goes along with working in a school for masks to be a good idea, and I completely agree with the government that they will hinder education.

I’d argue against temperature checks because they aren’t a clear indication of having the virus anyway, and it would be ridiculously disruptive. Plus, assuming that there will be a fair amount of plastic waste created by hygienically temperature testing every person in a school every day, it really can’t be justified.

I get Palaces point. And it is wearing a bit thin the ‘we want the kids back’ when it’s pretty clear some teachers don’t.

I don’t know how the government are going to deal with it tbh as there are way to many variables to deal with. Vulnerable staff, vulnerable children, children with vulnerable parents, Staff with vulnerable partners, not enough space, no PPE, where to eat lunch, school travel the list goes on..

I think we are at the point they are just ripping the plaster off and saying deal with it yourselves.

No, not planning. Setting work and marking online. Constantly. I spend all day answering student questions and feeding back on work. I try to respond to them asap so they can move on with the next subject.

now, now NailsNeedDoing

it is wearing a bit thin the ‘we want the kids back’ when it’s pretty clear some teachers don’t.

I haven’t seen a single teacher say anything that remotely suggests this.

@Messageinateacup

Teachers who are truly scared that they will get Covid and die will have to get a sick note for their health anxiety or resign. We crack on with the business at hand. I can't be bothered looking back for the name of the callous bitch who could write that post. Adults who are currently shielding or vulnerable for a whole host of conditions will be expected back in school, and this is nothing to do with "health anxiety". Way to go to belittle the ill or disabled

That would be me.

We can't stop life indefinitely because a minority of people have health conditions and are anxious because of them. I suggested health anxiety as a means of getting signed off sick. If you've worked for a reasonable amount of time at a school, you can be off for almost a full academic year on almost full pay if you're signed off by a GP.

As adults, we have choices that we can make and risks we are allowed to take or avoid. I'm sorry if that bothers you.

All the best,

Callous Bitch

Plus, assuming that there will be a fair amount of plastic waste created by hygienically temperature testing every person in a school every day, it really can’t be justified.

Eh? You'd use a no touch scanner. What plastic waste is there?

I agree with the rest of your post though Eve

@user1471530109

No, not planning. Setting work and marking online. Constantly. I spend all day answering student questions and feeding back on work. I try to respond to them asap so they can move on with the next subject.

Sorry, I didnt just mean planning, I meant the home learning and stuff thats happening. Also though there are variations in this. My primary has refused to "mark" anything online. We are only allowed to email teacher once a week and send in one bit of work electronically but they arent marked. I think we are allowed to do that just so they know my kids are still alive tbh.

@pennylane83

Why that should be at the risk of staff safety, the safety of the children and the community , I just don't get.

You do realise that Covid is never ever going to go away. It is in genearl circulation across the world and you will never ever be able to make any environment anywhere completly risk free. Sadly that means some places are going to be more risky than others given the nature of their purpose (ie schools) and concessions will have to be made because unless teachers are prepared to work with what they have got (i.e shit old buildings, lack of space etc etc) then the children are never ever going to return because there simply isnt the money nor the staffing to create an extra school for each and every school in the country to enable social distancing to be carried out. By all means, wear a visor at the front of your classroom if thats what you want to do but exactly what other (workable) options do you propose

So so many that have already been said , over and over again.

@NailsNeedDoing

Why would anyone argue against masks and temperature checks for schools?

I’d argue against it because I don’t want to wear a mask all day, so I couldn’t expect children to want to either. And as plenty of children are already back in school without masks it wouldn’t be fair to make them start now. Too much facial expression goes along with working in a school for masks to be a good idea, and I completely agree with the government that they will hinder education.

I’d argue against temperature checks because they aren’t a clear indication of having the virus anyway, and it would be ridiculously disruptive. Plus, assuming that there will be a fair amount of plastic waste created by hygienically temperature testing every person in a school every day, it really can’t be justified.

But is that not because you are not at an increased risk? Surely there are enough of the school population that a school should be working together to keep them and everyone else safe. If not face coverings, visors (I'd prefer this but more expensive).

Each class must be made of up to a third of people who if they don't fall in the clinically vulnerable, they have close family members who do.

Nope palace girl that won't wash, you wrote this:
quite frankly the fact teachers are on full pay and always have been since the start even though the majority worked shifts maybe 1 week in 3 for so many weeks yet are so unwilling to put forward any solutions is so disappointing
so you clearly think that they have not been working their full hours as why on earth would you mention their full pay? (Full pay for full hours being unremarkable!)

@EveleftEden

I get Palaces point. And it is wearing a bit thin the ‘we want the kids back’ when it’s pretty clear some teachers don’t.

I don’t know how the government are going to deal with it tbh as there are way to many variables to deal with. Vulnerable staff, vulnerable children, children with vulnerable parents, Staff with vulnerable partners, not enough space, no PPE, where to eat lunch, school travel the list goes on..

I think we are at the point they are just ripping the plaster off and saying deal with it yourselves.

Utter bollocks- not one teacher on any of the billion threads about schools has said they don't want the children back.

Schools can't stay shut forever and while I think that the risk should be reduced as much as possible (e.g. masks in secondary. extra cleaning), it can't be made totally safe. I understand the fear as I am not particularly low risk myself and I'm probably going to have to separate quite a bit from DD when she goes back to school but I think it's the only solution.

@palacegirl77

Do you know what Id love to see? Some heads/teachers having a can do attitude. How about some ideas being put forward? Fundraising for some marquees or other space? Its the negativity that gets me - there are thousands of people that have had to work WITH people with covid, that are front facing in shops etc/ delivering food and parcels to people up and down the country - theyve got on with it. There has to be more of a can do attitude. Where are the "superheads" what are they coming up with? How about screens for the teachers like they have in tescos, hand sanitiser for all kids on lanyards around their necks, temperature checks on doors, more hand washing stations? Anything? Come on , there MUST be a way through this.

How the fuck are marquees meant to help? Who's going to teach in them for a start? Where are they to be sited in a school that has no extra outdoor space? Who's going to fund them, when schools have LITERALLY no money and the Government has refused? It's not fucking "negativity," just realism, from people who know what the fuck they're talking about because, you know, they WORK IN SCHOOLS!!

I also think children are entitled to be allowed near the teachers and adults. They shouldn't be taught to stay back. Teachers also shouldn't have to freak out about kids getting too close.

No one is "entitled to come any closer to me than I am prepared to allow. Be VERY clear on that. I WILL tell them to "stay back." No "freaking out" about it, but it is already happening in my classroom and the kids are absolutely fine with and sweet about it and are trying very hard.

It's crap! Yes. It certainly is.

palace my dcs' primary too haven't fedback on anything-my only slight moan which I did voice to the head. But they've been outstanding with everything else including chasing up camhs and other agencies for my dc.

No one is "entitled to come any closer to me than I am prepared to allow. Be VERY clear on that. I WILL tell them to "stay back." No "freaking out" about it, but it is already happening in my classroom and the kids are absolutely fine with and sweet about it and are trying very hard.

I totally agree.

Re a marquee as a possibility, that could have potential consequences as they tend to be heated by hot air blowing fans.