Schools guidance released

[Orangeblossom78]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53253722

No dropping of subjects at GCSE then. Posting for info

Hopefully by September the Government will be more transparent and publish Pier 2 data as well as Pier 1 in an easy to access manner so that people can assess the risk in their locations of schools being open and act accordingly. I’m definitely going to be making an informed decision as to whether mine attend and when they go back. I’m sure I won’t be the only one.

Again though there could be things in place for that? side by side is safer than head on - perspex screens to the side of desks maybe so you could walk round? A perspex screen at the front? Solutions?

I know, maybe I could hover above the class using a system of ropes and winches? I have creativity and a can-do attitude, you see.

PPE is a ridiculous idea for teachers. Site let them wear a mask if they want to be a laughing stock but hardly equates to working in a hospital full of ill people.

palace if contact in a school setting is within 1 metre and face to face for any length of time then it falls under the track and trace parameters - so you don't need to be in contact for 15 minutes (which is under 2m but above 1m)

@FrippEnos

palacegirl77 In close contact? That close for more than 15 mins max (genuine question)

there are several classrooms in my schools that just fits 20 pupils, shoulder to shoulder, with little room to move around the classroom.

I would be within 2m of 75% of the class at all times.

In another room I would be within 1m of 5 pupils at all times.

Assuming that assemblies are not happening, could the hall be used too? Or sports hall as well if secondary?

@HipTightOnions

Again though there could be things in place for that? side by side is safer than head on - perspex screens to the side of desks maybe so you could walk round? A perspex screen at the front? Solutions?

I know, maybe I could hover above the class using a system of ropes and winches? I have creativity and a can-do attitude, you see.

Really funny. Just trying to help.

I dont think the advice is unworkable, because the vast majority of it is 'should' not 'must'. What it seems to boil down to is, do what you can, SD as much as you can, bubble as much as you can, but ultimately it's pretty much up to individual HTs to do what they need to do in their individual schools to make it work as well as it can. Just don't have choir or rugby.

I taught children many moons ago and I don’t know how you would be able to project your voice or give clear instructions from behind a mask. I think a face shield would actually be better.

@myrtleWilson

palace if contact in a school setting is within 1 metre and face to face for any length of time then it falls under the track and trace parameters - so you don't need to be in contact for 15 minutes (which is under 2m but above 1m)

For any length of time? Like 1 second? How is that a guideline? I didnt realise it said that, thats ludicrous.

I tell you what, palacegirl.

Why don’t you tell me about some issues in your job? I can almost guarantee I know nothing about it, but that won’t stop me giving you helpful suggestions.

Everyone complains about schools staying open - they shut

Everyone complains about schools being shut - they reopen to limited numbers

Everyone complains that only a small number of children are allowed back - gov tries to increase the numbers of children allowed by changing the rules

Everyone complains about the new rules becuase they are too restrictive to a full reopening - gov changes them again

Everyone complains at the prospect of part time learning - gov comits to returning full time

Everyone kicks off that all the children are returning full time because its just not feasible to keep them/teachers safe...

Stop the roundabout, I want to get off. WTAF do you want to happen with schools??

@UmbrellaHat

PPE is a ridiculous idea for teachers. Site let them wear a mask if they want to be a laughing stock but hardly equates to working in a hospital full of ill people.

Oh my god umbrella how on earth would the teachers on this thread put up with some children laughing at them and thinking they weren't cool? Are you fucking twelve?

UmbrellaHat

You must be pissing yourself with laughter at the teachers in France, Korea and China.

Has anyone argued against that? I havent.

The government guidelines have.

@HipTightOnions

I tell you what, palacegirl.

Why don’t you tell me about some issues in your job? I can almost guarantee I know nothing about it, but that won’t stop me giving you helpful suggestions.

I think 'm intelligent enough to know a teacher is in a classroom with children and to try and think of ideas. How is this being such a problem for you? Are you saying I shouldnt comment because im not a teacher? Im a parent of children that this affects directly. Why are you being so difficult?

@UmbrellaHat

PPE is a ridiculous idea for teachers. Site let them wear a mask if they want to be a laughing stock but hardly equates to working in a hospital full of ill people.

A laughing stock? Really?

@palacegirl77

The overwhelming noise that comes from teachers on here is that it cant happen or wont happen. No budging, no compromise. So if I have to lose my job as a result of my children having to be home schooled are you prepared to do the same? Ive been so supportive to my school but quite frankly the fact teachers are on full pay and always have been since the start even though the majority worked shifts maybe 1 week in 3 for so many weeks yet are so unwilling to put forward any solutions is so disappointing. They will end up losing public support.

God you spout so much utter bullshit , it's unbelievable. Yes it's shit if you are having issues with your work- but it's not the fault of teachers. You are beyond insulting. The majority of teachers have been working constantly, both in and out of schools. We want the kids back and properly in schools. That's what we trained for, ffs.

Why that should be at the risk of staff safety, the safety of the children and the community , I just don't get.

palacegirl77
Assuming that assemblies are not happening, could the hall be used too? Or sports hall as well if secondary?

The hall is used for drama, sports halls etc for PE.

Here you go palacegirl - anyone falling into any of these three categories in an educational setting will be sent home if a pupil/member of staff tests positive

-direct close contacts - face to face contact with an infected individual for any length of time, within 1 metre, including being coughed on, a face to face conversation, or unprotected physical contact (skin-to-skin)

• proximity contacts - extended close contact (within 1 to 2 metres for more than 15 minutes) with an infected individual

-travelling in a small vehicle, like a car, with an infected person

So, the concerns raised by many teachers on here (and other threads) that the nature of secondary schools in particular will cause difficulties because imagine Myrtle in year 10 moving around the school tests positive - how many people (pupils and staff) would fall into those three categories?

now this is problematic because
a) suggests fear of transmission
b) even in transmission doesn't occur then disruption in education delivery can
c)mitigation to limit the number of contacts our yr 10 Myrtle can have may mean introducing PPE (apparently a laughing stock according to some posters), changing physical dimensions of a school, altering timetables - all of which have their own limitations (cost, logistics and lack of bendable walls)

@pooiepooie25 Thanks for swearing at me. Needed that.

We accept that social distancing is impossible in school or on school buses, and we thank god that young people are unlikely to get ill.

How about we don't? How about we give the same level of protection to teachers as bus driver? It isn't impossible if it's part time. If buses operate with reduced numbers to allow for social distancing so should schools.

I think 'm intelligent enough to know a teacher is in a classroom with children and to try and think of ideas. How is this being such a problem for you? Are you saying I shouldnt comment because im not a teacher? Im a parent of children that this affects directly. Why are you being so difficult?

Because we’ve heard it all before. Because schools ARE trying really hard to find ways to get children back safely. Because the ideas are daft and unworkable. Because of the arrogance of it.

I know “a police officer is in the street with criminals”. I know “a doctor is in a hospital with patients”. Should I give them helpful ideas about how to do their jobs?

@myrtleWilson

Here you go palacegirl - anyone falling into any of these three categories in an educational setting will be sent home if a pupil/member of staff tests positive

-direct close contacts - face to face contact with an infected individual for any length of time, within 1 metre, including being coughed on, a face to face conversation, or unprotected physical contact (skin-to-skin)

• proximity contacts - extended close contact (within 1 to 2 metres for more than 15 minutes) with an infected individual

-travelling in a small vehicle, like a car, with an infected person

So, the concerns raised by many teachers on here (and other threads) that the nature of secondary schools in particular will cause difficulties because imagine Myrtle in year 10 moving around the school tests positive - how many people (pupils and staff) would fall into those three categories?

now this is problematic because
a) suggests fear of transmission
b) even in transmission doesn't occur then disruption in education delivery can
c)mitigation to limit the number of contacts our yr 10 Myrtle can have may mean introducing PPE (apparently a laughing stock according to some posters), changing physical dimensions of a school, altering timetables - all of which have their own limitations (cost, logistics and lack of bendable walls)

Thanks for the info!

palacegirl77

Teachers and unions have put forward some creative, some not so creative and some common sense ideas.

All have been ignored by the government.

And one of the latest ideas from our 'glorious' leaders.
Schools can do they they must to get more more children in but it must come out of the schools already overstretched budget.

@palacegirl77 you genuinely think teachers have only been working on days they have been in with the keyworker hubs? You cannot be that poorly informed surely.