To think people need to be released from the idea that they must 'stay safe'?

[TheDailyCarbuncle]

IMO people's heads have been messed with on an absolutely massive scale during this pandemic. So many people seem to be locked into the idea that they absolutely must avoid getting covid at all costs, no matter what, to the extent that they're convinced that if they don't do everything possible to 'stay safe' then they're definitely going to die.

I genuinely think that the extent to which governments around the world have convinced people that the only thing that matters is this virus is a far far far bigger problem than the virus itself. I think governments are too cowardly to say what needs to be said, which is that there is no way to prevent everyone from getting it, and that attempting to prevent it is causing so many other problems that it just can't be done any more.

I think people are being driven around the twist with the idea that this threat is out there, lurking at all times, waiting to get them. It's like a form of mental torture, with people questioning everything and worrying about everything, while the economy crumbles around them.

There is no guarantee of a vaccine or of more effective treatments. There is every chance that covid will still be circulating, along with every other virus, in 2030. You could do everything absolutely 'right' now and still get it next year or in five years.

I get the fact that it was new, unprecedented, etc. But where do we draw the line? When will the acceptance come? When it's too late and there's no way to restore the millions of jobs lost? When economies have collapsed so much that poverty, violence and starvation make covid look like a walk in the park?

bumble maybe, maybe not but if you aren’t in Scotland you won’t appreciate the utter loathing of the SNP by half the population. Not just about covid, but the decimation of our once envied education system. That decimation can’t even be recorded for the SNP have decided not to participate in ranking studies such is their embarrassment. The poverty gap continues to widen and the country underperforms. Yes Sturgeon is a great speaker and no doubt a good politician but you have no idea how half the country feels. It isn’t reported on news. My family and I are contemplating a move to England
to escape. They have destroyed the country I once loved. Louts today on the border telling the English to go home. This is behaviour fully endorsed by the cult. It’s disgusting

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

bumble maybe, maybe not but if you aren’t in Scotland you won’t appreciate the utter loathing of the SNP by half the population. Not just about covid, but the decimation of our once envied education system. That decimation can’t even be recorded for the SNP have decided not to participate in ranking studies such is their embarrassment. The poverty gap continues to widen and the country underperforms. Yes Sturgeon is a great speaker and no doubt a good politician but you have no idea how half the country feels. It isn’t reported on news. My family and I are contemplating a move to England to escape. They have destroyed the country I once loved. Louts today on the border telling the English to go home. This is behaviour fully endorsed by the cult. It’s disgusting

Fair enough - i have no idea about feelings for the SNP. But you're wrong to say that there's no support for Sturgeon's approach outside her SNP base.

There is - heaps of it. In Wales where they're following a very similar strategy to Scotland. And I imagine plenty more support from English folk who are horrified at the mess Johnson is making of it.

I think it’s natural to compare. I’m no Boris fan and think both governments have made a mess of it. But sturgeon avoids the same press scrutiny. We also released untested elderly people into clean care homes and caused hundreds of deaths. The SNP has actually lied about the numbers involved.

As I said, she sounds good on telly. “We care”. All she cares about is her independence agenda and splitting the union anyway she can.

Robbins,

Why are you quoting an article by a retired GP, long a conspiracy theorist?

We now know that the initial IFR was estimated as higher than it is. Nonetheless, SARs-COV2 is a nasty virus leading to many hospitalisations and a fair few deaths.

The IFR is still far from certain, with estimates varying from 0.25% to 0.7%, with even the lowest being above w bad flu outbreak.

The last thing democratic politicians want is to lock up and impoverish voters; they need to be re-elected.

The fact that lockdown worked the way it was meant to has made many far too relaxed about Covid. Now that we are unlocking, we will see deaths start to rise again (slowly, at first, but surely).

I think we will have a vaccine by year end, which will be a superhuman effort. In the interim, there is no point in either being overly fearful or taking needless risks. For me, for instance, they should have fully opened schools but kept pubs closed.

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2

science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/early/2020/05/12/science.abc3517.full.pdf

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html

So they downgraded it – and effectively put it back into the same category as the flu.

First of all, the flu is not a minor illness. Millions are spent of flu vaccines and prevention, and it is a concern for health services every year. There are centres around the world that keep an eye on the flu to detect new variants and ascertain its impact.

Then, being in the same category doesn't mean it has the same impact. Such categories are few and tend to be wide.
You can have diseases at the milder end of any category and diseases at the severe end.

Covid is not air-borne Ebola, for sure, but it's still not just the flu (which itself, and again, is not to be ignored and it isn't).

@R0bb1ns20

It’s just about conceivable that a Government would institute lockdown for nefarious reasons... though if Boris and his cronies were secret authoritarians hell bent on turning the UK into some Stalinist control state, surely there would actually be severe penalties for lockdown breaches to enforce their grand plan!

But the thought that virtually every country in the world from the USA to Iran, from China to NZ, locked down in the face of Covid as part of some global conspiracy is beyond absurd.... The only way to make any sense of your viewpoint is that you are so far down the conspiracy theory wormhole that you believe that all world Governments are in thrall to their lizard-people overlord puppet-masters who are watching Covid unfold for their own amusement!

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In the early days of this, it was made very clear that treatment would go to "those most likely to benefit", and one of the criteria fornotbeing likely to benefit was being over 70. Then there was the warning about comorbidities - and a high proportion of people over 70 have acquired at least one of these. If you've been told a) that if you get it, you are likely to develop complications and b) you are less likely to be treated, it is far from irrational to do whatever you need to to try to avoid getting it.

Ok, if this is the way you interpreted what was said I understand some of the fear.

It is not about interpretations op. It was the reality for many. Some hospitals would not ventilate those over 65. Excess dnrs were completed for those without capacity.

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