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36 areas in UK at risk for lockdown ‘within days’ - are you in one?

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Lumene · 01/07/2020 11:38

Really need to be able to access local data on risks like this instead of finding out through news outlets:

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-bradford-and-london-boroughs-among-36-at-risk-areas-that-could-be-just-days-away-from-local-lockdowns-12018594

Not happy at all, why is govt not being transparent with data?

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ihearttc · 01/07/2020 12:46

How can they mix cities and counties? You can't lock down an entire county! I live in Norfolk but right on the suffolk border (I have a suffolk postcode) so surely Id be included as well with the suffolk lockdown despite not actually living in Suffolk.

conveniencestore · 01/07/2020 12:47

@Nothingiswrong. If Gloucestershire had 6 cases several weeks ago, then the modelling we were all shown back in March would suggest that those could be in the hundreds now, even with some minor lockdown still in place. in the last couple of weeks, non-essential shops have reopened, hospital appointments have restarted.

Bloops · 01/07/2020 12:48

What does this actually mean though..if we go back into lock down? Will dentists and doctors etc shut again or unessential shops like clothes and shoes.. so frustrating

wanderings · 01/07/2020 12:53

I'm sure it's a double bluff by the government, and that they have a hand in this reporting; such as promising local lockdowns, without the means to do it. (The only power they really have is forcibly keeping things closed.) Maybe Boris's spin doctors fed information about "places affected" to the press, to keep us afraid of the second spike. It looks like the grand plan is to keep the public fearful and confused with a combination of numbers and smoke and mirrors.

LovingLen · 01/07/2020 12:54

Strangely Bedford which is fairly local to us isn't on that list but has featured on our local news a lot recently as have a spike.

ChicCroissant · 01/07/2020 12:58

I'm in Gloucestershire, if that's the table that was in the media yesterday it showed Gloucestershire as having a 200 per cent increase in cases, from 1 case to 3. Need to look at the actual number of cases rather than the percentage increase alone!

conveniencestore · 01/07/2020 12:58

I am just worried that the sacrifices of 100 days of lockdown was for nothing. The government has relaxed lockdown too soon with a low R number, but not a low number of actual cases. These cases are doing the exponential increase that we all understood back in March, and in September it still won't be safe for schools to fully reopen- 6 months after the start of lockdown.

lljkk · 01/07/2020 12:59

Saying all of Suffolk should be locked down is pretty funny.

Hollyhead · 01/07/2020 12:59

Cases are dropping steadily by about 25% a week so I don’t see how so many places can be on the cusp of a new lockdown. We need better more immediate data. Ideally by first 3/4 digits of postcode so that people can modify their behaviour appropriately.

Alex50 · 01/07/2020 13:01

@LovingLen it’s on the list I posted

36 areas in UK at risk for lockdown ‘within days’ - are you in one?
Redolent · 01/07/2020 13:01

[quote conveniencestore]@Nothingiswrong. If Gloucestershire had 6 cases several weeks ago, then the modelling we were all shown back in March would suggest that those could be in the hundreds now, even with some minor lockdown still in place. in the last couple of weeks, non-essential shops have reopened, hospital appointments have restarted.[/quote]
I don’t think it would spread as quickly, no. Opening up pubs and restaurants, having lots of family gatherings and indoor socialising, opening up places of worship...these are far more risky than going shopping. If an increase is to come it’ll be in 2-3 weeks.

conveniencestore · 01/07/2020 13:02

@Redolent - I agree, the exponential rise in cases will mean that the low numbers people are scoffing at now will very soon be high levels.

123456abcd · 01/07/2020 13:05

Here's an interactive map which shows some of the areas on the list as having no, or very few, cases Guardian

pigeon999 · 01/07/2020 13:05

There are 5 cases in Gloucestershire. The county has been infection free for a while now. Covid wards etc wound down etc.

RedToothBrush · 01/07/2020 13:06

The data is out there, the bbc news site has information on levels in each area, and there is another site where you can drive data down to your list code

What you mean is you want it handed to you on a plate

Well given that the FT and the Manchester Evening News amongst others have been saying that people CAN'T get the data, and the information that has been put out previously is bullshit cos it only includes part data, making it worse than useless I don't think the problem is people wanting the data handing to them on a plate.

Jen Williams has been chasing this story for several weeks.

Earlier this morning she tweeted:

Jennifer Williams @JenWilliamsMEN
An anecdote about this: at one point there was both a pillar 1 testing centre and a pillar 2 testing centre at the Etihad. Manchester’s public health director could get the data from one but not the other. Couldn’t make it up.

She also chased up the claims about Wigan yesterday and said it was bullshit. Only for it to appear on the list today that Sky are putting out.

She has been getting increasingly frustrated during the course of the day:

Jennifer Williams @JenWilliamsMEN
Some suspicion (from me and others) that this list of places 'at risk' of being locked down - which seems to be popping up everywhere - is the result of briefings coming out of govt. As someone just said to me: "That then leaves people at local level to clear up their shit."

I'm not saying eg Wigan will never be in a local lockdown scenario. For all I know the numbers will rocket in the next wk. But if you're going to brief, at least speak to public health directors and understand the current situation

Otherwise councils then have to waste their time putting comms out to clarify things local people understandably are sharing like wildfire on social media that isn't right.

I'm very much of the same opinion.

The Guardian published an article today entitled 'Are covid-19 cases in your area rising or falling'. And it had a nice map with the number of cases on it.

Except it was the Pillar1 only data which both the FT and the BBC debunked yesterday as nonsense. The Guardian article did mention it in passing but the headline and the map gave the impression that the data was complete. So you could easily read the headline, see the map and not read further.

The failure of the guardian to identify the ACTUAL story which is that the data is a pile of pish and instead regurgatated it boils my piss. Sky have done EXACTLY the same.

So I tend to to agree with Jen Williams about this being a deliberate attempt to cover up the real story that the lockdown in Leicester was so late because the local authority there had NO FUCKING IDEA what was going on because of this bullshit outsourcing.

This outsourcing to private companies has been a total disaster.

They have claimed that GDPR means they can't share data. However one of the criticial exemptions of GDPR is YOU CAN share data if it is in the national interest in execeptional circumstances, y'know like a public health emergency.

Its total crap designed to undermine GDPR in all cases, at risk to privacy where it is merited.

Not only this, but there are serious questions about the quality of pillar2 testing. Not least the thousands of test results that went walkies.

This article is by Shaun Lintern. He is the best health journalist in the country (He uncovered the scandal in Shrewsbury which the police announced yesterday they are now investigating amongst several other healthscare scandals)
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-lighthouse-lab-milton-keynes-samples-alderley-park-glasgow-a9589401.html
Inside the coronavirus mega-labs
Investigation: Workers inside the Covid-19 laboratories tell Shaun Lintern about the challenges of ramping up testing

Its an absoluetely staggering read.

The whole thing is an absoluete fucking car crash and this is just the latest attempt to shout 'HEY LOOK AT THAT SQUIRREL' which too many journalists have fallen for, rather than look at what the real story is here.

Local authorities who have to run and manage local lockdowns are not being given information nor support from central government to do so, which is a complete recipe for disaster.

Instead we get bullshit comments like the one quoted from another poster, about how we are all lazy or thick.

NO THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE.

123456abcd · 01/07/2020 13:06

Ops, just spotted that the link has already been shared.

RedToothBrush · 01/07/2020 13:07

@123456abcd

Here's an interactive map which shows some of the areas on the list as having no, or very few, cases Guardian
This article is a great big pile of SHITE.

Which just highlights the exact point I have just made about it being a great big pile of shit (and people not actually reading it).

ListenLinda · 01/07/2020 13:07

Yes I am in one. Dreading it to to be honest, it was hard enough until we were allowed to see family. And now I have I don’t like the thought of not being able to again.

PatriciaHolm · 01/07/2020 13:11

@ListenLinda

Yes I am in one. Dreading it to to be honest, it was hard enough until we were allowed to see family. And now I have I don’t like the thought of not being able to again.
have you read the thread?

If you did you would know the list is a pile of pish. Based on very very little data, and screaming about the fact that going from 1 to 2 cases is a 100% INCREASE!!! and basing a list of areas under thread on that.

it's complete, irresponsible bollocks.

heynori · 01/07/2020 13:13

Yes I'm in one. I'll be fucking livid if they try to do a local lockdown.

I have 2 toddlers and live in a flat. I'm on my knees here!!

RedToothBrush · 01/07/2020 13:13

The articles you SHOULD be reading on this subject, are:

www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a
Lack of local Covid-19 testing data hinders UK’s outbreak response
Leicester lockdown highlights information gaps as health secretary vows to publish better local and regional case figures

(This is NOT paywalled, which is normally the case with the FT).

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/government-finally-releases-greater-manchester-18496597
Government finally releases Greater Manchester coronavirus data... and there are SIX TIMES more cases than local officials knew about

Andy Burnham called the numbers a 'warning sign', stressing there is still 'a large amount' of the virus still circulating here

and

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18552029.new-pillar-2-testing-data-reveals-york-twice-many-coronavirus-cases-reported/
New Pillar 2 testing data reveals York has had TWICE as many coronavirus cases as reported

Its appalling that the Guardian and Sky are going anywhere near the Pillar1 only data the day after this has been covered by these newspapers and by the BBC.

PatriciaHolm · 01/07/2020 13:14

@heynori

Yes I'm in one. I'll be fucking livid if they try to do a local lockdown.

I have 2 toddlers and live in a flat. I'm on my knees here!!

Read. The. Thread.
RedToothBrush · 01/07/2020 13:15

This is the FT graph which illustrates the problem about the missing pillar2 data.

36 areas in UK at risk for lockdown ‘within days’ - are you in one?
Redolent · 01/07/2020 13:16

Just posted this is another thread. What a shitshow testing is.

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Nadine Dorries MP answering a query from Stella Creasy MP.

"The contract with Deloitte doesn’t require the company to report positive cases to PHE & local authorities."

36 areas in UK at risk for lockdown ‘within days’ - are you in one?