Why don't we make masks compulsory for shops too?

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It'd be a minor inconvenience...

And we could have the same exemptions as for public transport...

But surely it would be preferable to a 2nd lockdown...

They have done this in Germany...

I think it would be a minority of asthma sufferers who wouldn't be able to wear a mask. There has been a recommendation for a few years that asthma sufferers should wear a scarf over their face in cold air, or high levels of air pollution. As an asthma sufferer myself I have often done so. This would be an acceptable level of face covering for public transport and hospitals where face covering is mandatory.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/clinical/clinical-specialties/prescribing/gps-should-not-prescribe-antibiotics-for-impetigo-says-nice/20039181.article

GPs should not prescribe antibiotics for impetigo, says NICE
14 August 2019 By Beth Gault

The guidelines, from NICE and Public Health England (PHE), say that GPs should recommend topical antiseptic instead of antibiotics, with the aim of reducing antimicrobial resistance.

It found that antiseptics, such as hydrogen peroxide 1% cream, were just as effective as topical antibiotics and therefore should be prescribed instead.

However, the guidelines state that GPs can still prescribe an oral antibiotic if the non-bullous impetigo is widespread, or the patient is systematically unwell or at risk of complications.

Non-bullous impetigo is the more common form of skin infection, usually starting with a rash of small, pus-filled blisters, compared to bullous impetigo, which presents with sores and intact blisters, according to the British Skin Foundation.

It is highly infectious and although usually clears up within two to three weeks without treatment, it is usually treated with an antibiotic to prevent the spread of infection and speed up recovery, according to NICE.

A spokesperson from NICE said: ‘NICE now say that topical antiseptics should be offered to people with localised, non-bullous impetigo if they aren’t systemically unwell or at risk of developing any complications.

If antiseptic treatment is not suitable, or a person has widespread non-bullous impetigo, a topical antibiotic should be given instead (fusidic acid 2%). An oral antibiotic (flucloxacillin) is also an option for people with widespread non-bullous impetigo and should be given first line if the person has bullous impetigo or if they are systemically unwell or at risk of developing any complications.’

The guidance also included that GPs should not combine a topical and oral antibiotic to treat impetigo, as using both is ‘no more effective’ than using one.

It follows a pledge by the Government to cut antibiotics prescribing by a further 15%.

David Banner | GP Partner/Principal14 Aug 2019 5:21pm

I’m sure that those impetigo patients subsequently admitted with “sepsis” will be perfectly satisfied that their GP failed to prescribe an antibiotic.

Nick Mann | Salaried GP15 Aug 2019 1:02pm

Facial impetigo is likely to represent URT carriage of pathogenic Staph/Strep.
Topical treatment of any kind does nothing to address this.
The patient remains a risk to themselves and to any contacts.
Cases of neumonia, sepsis and scarlet fever have increased. Who is researching the impact/harms of not treating?
Too many agenda guidelines based on too little medical evidence.

Carpe vinum! | GP Partner/Principal15 Aug 2019 1:59pm

and then what about school absence? The HPA advice is exclusion from school until 48 hours after antibiotics commenced, or until lesions have crusted and healed. So parents to keep kids off school for 2-3 weeks under the above guidance - I'm sure that's going to go down well on the school attendance record!

do you think the rest of the uk will follow scotland?

no way am I going out if they make it compulsory

all this for a virus.....

Worse still I passed a bus. In the back was a care worker , in uniform, mask down eating her sandwich. Wrong on so many counts

Is this what it's come to? Bitching about people eating a sandwich. I'm sure she used sanitizer beforehand, and washed her hands on arrival at the next house
Would you rather she dehydrate and go hungry??

If the culture becomes that mask wearing in public becomes expected then I'm never going to get my autistic 16yo out of the house. Already I can't leave him on a bench while I go into a store or other building he can't cope with or doesn't need to be in because some councils (not our own, thankfully) have ripped up all the street furniture and no way could he handle being interrogated about not wearing a mask. Not that he could reply, anyhow.

I'm fine with a mask, sitting on a bus, but find it really disorientating walking around in one and can't see where I'm going because my glasses fog up, even with a nose clip.

no way am I going out if they make it compulsory
All this for a virus
A virus that's caused 65,000 excess deaths in 12 weeks

I really really hope they make them mandatory. I wear one and am actually shocked by how few others do.

shop.disabilityhorizons.com/products/ppe/mask-exemption-travel-card-lanyard-or-clip-badge/
@PickAChew you can get lanyards, cards and badges for mask wearing exemption for people with disabilities (I have one for my 16 dd who has non verbal autism) and won't wear one. Many councils are also doing them free to download and print.

I'm not in UK and face coverings are compulsory in all public place. There are signs outside shopping centre's and shops saying no mask, no entry. If you aren't covered up, you aren't getting in.

Those people who cannot wear masks for various reasons are wearing the face shields instead.

Agree, couldn’t agree more! If masks were mandatory infection rates would fall. Unfortunately too many people are too precious to wear one, too hot after 10 minutes apparently. Can’t breathe, I get a rash, children will be frightened, I get too hot, what a load of self indulgent tosh. Exemptions for medical or health reasons only.

Imagine wearing one for a 12 hour shift on a stuffy ward in a hospital or a care home, wearing one for a half an hours trip round the supermarket really is nothing.

@PickAChewyoir son would be exempt and I believe you can buy masks that prevent glasses steaming up, agree with the disorientation but it passes and you get used to it.

I guess teachers wouldn’t need to wear them, with them being immune and all that?

I think they should be mandatory, but the amount of waste makes me extremely uncomfortable.

There's mountains of the fucking things everywhere.

So maybe washable ones? I don't know, but even in the Tube and busses not everybody bothers, not even TFL staff.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon Ive just spent today organising things so that im able to wear one but the advice i was given was to wear the disposable ones.

Speaking of advice i posted on another thread last night and got some great help and advice from a RGN on here She was only one of TWO people who took me seriously on this board , the other poster is someone who has had exactly the same issue as me, She used her expertise and medical knowledge to inform me about a product called hibiscrub. As well as advising me to speak to a GP or pharmacist the former would be like climbing a mountain as im with Virgin Care So i spoke to the pharmacist and purchased some. Along with some Simple rich moisturiser because hibiscrub can make your face dry. Id never heard of the product until last night. Which rather begs the question. Why arent the Government putting out statements advising about mask wearing for people with pre existing skin conditions. Instead of relying on the peer policing and stasi like bullying ........oh wait they are Tory.

What a poor reflection of this board................that only two people took me seriously.

This will enable me to go to a medical setting if i need to , whether a hospital or a doctors appointment.

I will NOT be doing that just to go to the high street i will #stayhome

YY @Acheypain Ive never known such an intelligent virus.

Whose advice was it to wear a disposable one?

Because I've seen HCPs wear fabric ones in hospital settings. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

Hibiscrub been around forever and one of my children had it prescribed for some skin thing. Surely everybody knows about it?

Chardonnay its not all about you.

I was advised to only wear a disposable one. By the pharmacist who was advising me on how to wear one due to my past problems with impetigo. I will be following the advice of a medical professional and a pharmacist. I wasnt asking for your advice Just talking about the advice i had already been given from the correct sources.

No i had never heard of it Never been prescribed it or anything like that Neither for myself or my non existent children.

Ive taken the trouble to find a way to wear a mask And im STILL getting shit on here. Still not fucking good enough.

@HelenaDove nobody is having a go at you, you’ve found a way to be able to wear a mask hopefully avoiding a flare up, I’ve had impetigo myself on my stomach from a stray cat that scratched me, it’s not pleasant, to have it on your face must be horrible for you.

Hibiscrub is great stuff, I wouldn’t use Simple face cream, try double base, you can buy it over the counter in the chemist, great for all skin conditions and a good moisturiser that doesn’t irritate at all.

Have a google and read about it, much better for your skin than any branded ‘Beauty’ moisturiser.

Blimey Helena, how is asking who recommended the disposable one all about me?

Just say it was a chemists because you have some issue and be done with it.

I'm surprised by it, because the disposables are sweaty and can aggravate some skin conditions, while the fabric ones are better for the skin, and the disposable ones are an environmental disaster, but if you're happy wearing them, fine.

I'm not giving you any advice, I'm just posting my opinion on a chat board, no need to be so touchy about it. Chill, be happy!

Ta @Llamazoom Im fine with Simple The pharmacist said anything that isnt perfumed is fine to use pre mask wear. I did check with her again before i bought it. But thanks i will still take a look at what you suggested. Im five years and 8 months since the last flare up. Mine was recurrent for nine years so ive been terrified of getting it again and getting it recurrently again. I just didnt want to risk getting back in that cycle. But now ive found a way to wear a mask that might work without me developing this skin condition again which makes wearing one much easier for me to do.

hardly anyone is wearing masks though......just soggy bits of cath kinston material attached with elastic from some etsy online shop

i work in a shop and won't wear a mask until forced

customers who do wear them are impossible to understand, far too muffled.....so they come right up to you, inches from your face until i move back. idiots