Why don't we make masks compulsory for shops too?

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It'd be a minor inconvenience...

And we could have the same exemptions as for public transport...

But surely it would be preferable to a 2nd lockdown...

They have done this in Germany...

I work in retail the majority of people who come in wearing mask and gloves constantly adjust their masks and touch there faces, half of them don't even have them over their noses 😂 while I understand people's desire to feel safer I don't see that they make much difference if people won't use them correctly.

They don’t work because people don’t use them properly. Also, you won’t catch it walking past someone

I’m still avoiding anywhere busy enough to need one tbh. I shop when it’s quiet in big stores or in local small stores where I’m the only customer and the staff member is behind a screen.

I'm shopping but not shopping anywhere a mask is required. Makes it difficult to look down to browse. Unless you fiddle with the mask. Which makes the whole thing pointless anyway, because you just touched your face and are now The Infected.

Many mask wearers are more reckless about their social distancing and keeping left. Best to avoid (though it's not easy when they want to get so close).

HeIenaDove Sun 28-Jun-20 02:55:27
This is what tends to happen in the real world in the summer/when there is a heatwave unless we are going to do the same as Japan and put cold masks in vending machines for the public to buy
I was in Boots on Friday It was stifling in there Must have been 33c in there, and the staff were no longer wearing face masks when a couple of them were really gung ho about it last month!!

Been saying for weeks that this would happen when it got hot and stifling but nooooooooooo people kept saying that ppl would just have to cope.

The woman in her 60s (WASPI) behind the till was close to collapse. She couldnt take it and had to remove her mask Ditto the other staff member

So what are some of these places going to do to make their workplaces more comfortable to enable mask wearing. Or face dealing with staff members getting heat stroke.

Would a heat stroke death as a result of this go on the Covid figures?

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Summer 2005 Impetigo on bottom lip Caused by humidity. As told by my GP Treated with cream and antibiotics.
18 month gap then......
Jan 2007 Another flare up Same place. Due to stress Treated again with same antibiotics and cream
Four and half year gap.............July 2011 Another flare up just before school reunion caused by stress and humidity. Treated again with antibiotics and cream
Six month gap January 2012 due to stress Treated again with antibiotics and cream.
2 years and 9 months gap

October 2014
Another flare up. 23 and 24 Oct was humid and warm. Treated again with same cream and antibiotics.

Been clear now for five years and eight months I intend to keep it that way.

The bacteria that causes this THRIVES in humid weather. Under a mask in the summer is the perfect breeding ground.

It has taken me YEARS to get out of this cycle. I will NOT be attending a hair appointment anytime soon despite the fact i would bloody love to..

If they bring this in for non essential shops i wont be setting foot in them. I would rather walk around in rags with grey hair than put myself at risk of developing this skin condition again.

Incidentally its VERY contagious Its also likely i would now have to wait weeks for a GP appointment to get the antibiotics and fucidin cream which you can only get on prescription. i would NOT be stopping at home for weeks Already done that in case i have asymptomatic Covid. So it would be kind of ironic if i didnt/couldnt stay home for weeks because of an infection i would actually HAVE caused by a law thats been brought in. And i wouldnt be able to wear a mask which would rub against the weeping crusting sore i would have.

The best thing for me and others would be for me to avoid ANYWHERE that brings this in. Have stopped using public transport and wont be going to hairdressers.

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I am unable to wear foundation because of this. GPs have told me to let my skin breathe.

And im not the only one. @mum2jakie posted this on the other thread too.

mum2jakie Mon 29-Jun-20 19:48:22
@HelenaDove I've had recurrent bouts of facial impetigo and won't be wearing a mask to go shopping. That'll be less of my money going back into the economy, if mask wearing is made compulsory.

People with medical conditions/disabilities who cant wear masks have been bullied shamed and filmed on public transport and this rule has only been in for two weeks.

I agree. Those who can should.

I've only been into three shops since March and I've worn my mask every time.

how long is a mask effective for?

100 percent in support of masks, minor inconvience and respectful to anyone more vulnerable /those working in shops.

They arent a minor inconvinience to deaf people who need to lip read

Those with COPD and asthma are exempt. But that hasnt stopped others harassing bullying and filming them on buses.

I've been wearing mine for the supermarket for the last month or so and will do in all indoor spaces. The mention of face coverings for shops does seem to be stepping up in official guidance, I'd be pleased to see them made mandatory.

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That's what happens to communication when the sound is muffled and lipreading and other non-verbal expression is covered up. It's not just hearing impairment, it can affect other communication disorders such as ASD where individuals have to work conciously at putting together social cues.

Plus claustrophobia.

Plus skin irriation and scratching/ fidgeting undermining the benefits of the mask.

Plus all the ill fitting, inadequate, badly worn masks (the chin hammock, the beard with protrouding nose) mean that the majority of masks being used by the public are nothing more useful than virtue signalling.

The point on public transport is to do with the absence of social distancing and good ventilation. Most shops and other public indoor venues are using social distancing and screens to mitigate the risk of close contact and most don't have close proximity to strangers for a prolonged period, so masks are not necessary, and a major hinderence to a large minority of the population.

There simply are not the benefits that counter the inconvenience and distress caused to many members of society by mask wearing.

@SockYarn

No thanks.

The virus spreads in confined spaces when you are face to face with a person at distances of less than a metre (or two, depending on who you believe).

Me walking past you in a supermarket, bookstore or clothes shop isn't going to be sufficient contact to give you Covid19, even if I have it and am unaware I have it. I'd have to pin you up against the baked beans and cough all over your face.

Sorry but this is simply untrue (‘cough all over your face...’). Presymptomatic spread through respiratory droplets can be generated through normal conversation, laughter or breathing.

And we don’t legislate based on your personal shopping habits. People stop, they browse, chat with each other, ask questions. Not just in large supermarkets but in small and confined shops.

Even US republicans are now moving past this attitude of individualism and arrogance. ‘But muh freedomz....’

I guess it’s because money talks:

www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/30/mask-mandate-gdp-economy-goldman-sachs/

“National mask mandates could save 5% of GDP, economists say

The requirement could protect the public while avoiding some of the pain of an economic shutdown, Goldman Sachs research finds“

Worse still I passed a bus. In the back was a care worker , in uniform, mask down eating her sandwich. Wrong on so many counts.

You are allowed to remove your mask to eat and drink on public transport.

Fully agree, they do in France and elsewhere and that's how japan have dealt with this so well.

Unfortunately there's a substantial number of nutters who truly believe it's part of how the government want to control us. Utter idiots.

I would rather keep the 2 m distance and avoid masks which are unpleasant for many and difficult to manage safely and from the data less effective than distance

Why are we so good at finding reasons not to wear a mask? People in countries which seem to have dealt with the pandemic far better than England seem to have little issue with wearing masks. We always seem to have an excuse not to.

I wish the government would start mandating masks along with information on how they should be used properly.

If everyone who could use a mask did so, it would help protect those with GENUINE reasons for being unable to.

To be fair I believe japan are generally very hygienic too. It's not just the masks. I know hand gel is normal and their infrastructures for cleaning are much better.

I was blown away by the cherry festival organisation in Tokyo. Hammered festival goers all remaining in their cordoned areas, recycling bins every few meters, not a scrap of litter anywhere.

I'm in London where masks are compulsory on public transport. On the few occasions I've used trains and buses in the last couple of weeks only about 60% are wearing them. I haven't been on the tube.

When I went shopping the other day it seemed to be mostly young people who were wearing them, a lot treating them like a fashion accessory, wearing them around their necks. I haven't worn one in large stores like M&S, Zara etc as it doesn't feel necessary, but have worn one in small corner shops. Masks are pointless if people keep touching them. I'd rather focus on keeping my distance and hand hygiene.

Please don’t. I’m asthmatic and wearing a mask makes my symptoms (unhelpfully coughing) much worse because I can’t seem to regulate my breathing in them. I had to wear one for a hospital appointment yesterday and felt unwell all day as a result of getting mucked up for that hour and a half.
The thought of having to wear them in shops makes me really stressed, I wouldn’t be able to do it. I have tried! I am officially exempt due to the asthma but I don’t want to be in the firing line of abuse for not wearing one, which absolutely is happening to people who aren’t even with good reason. Great to encourage people to wear masks if they can but please don’t make it compulsory

Covering the face is also awful for communication. So much relies on facial expression, it’s really not natural to not be able to see someone’s face when you’re with them. Its horrible.

I'm asthmatic and I'd agree that's an issue; there's special passes for people with breathing difficulties or asd, additional needs etc.

I wouldn't be giving special passes to idiots. Only those who need it.

ive not been wearing a mask when going to the supermarket, i stay away from people and in and out with my shopping
when i do eventually venture out to other shops in the next few weeks i will be wearing a mask, due to them more likely being busier and i will be in them for longer

It’s not true that people with asthma are exempt. You are only exempt if you genuinely can’t wear a mask which may be the case for some asthmatic people but certainly not all. If asthmatic healthcare professionals can wear a mask all day long then most other asthmatic people can manage to wear a much more breathable cloth face covering to go to the shops.

I am asthmatic myself and have been managing 12 hours shifts in PPE for months now and prior to that had no trouble wearing masks for shorter periods in theatre.