people, please, stay home if you can

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Most places that have eased lockdown measures, are seeing an increase in the number of cases. So there is no way around it (at least in the short-term), live a "normal life" and increase the risk for everyone (there are no "personal risk" in a pandemic).

I see a lot of people in mumsnet saying that we suffer too much to save the lives of 80 year olds. While I find this cold assessment horrible on its own, there are so many case of under 60s suffering badly. This is a harrowing picture of 63 year old woman:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/25/from-cold-to-coma-to-homecoming-one-womans-100-days-of-coronavirus

Sure, the risk is low. Sure, we deal with risks all the time. But we also try to mitigate risks all the time. We use seat belts, and we look before we cross the road, we use helmets, etc There are many reasons why someone needs to go into work, and those are understandable. But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Life needs to be different, and we need to find new ways to make our economy tick. Lots of opportunities in new fields. Lets support each other and look for new ways to make the world go around.

Sorry, but YABU.
I've been sticking to the rules the entire time, not my own made up version either by people tweaking to suit themselves (don't get me started lol)
We can't stay in lockdown forever, and all this "stay at home IDIOTS!" is starting to get on my tits to be honest, it's all over FB.
As long as we're sensible we can't control what others do. So i'll keep on doing me and us and just hope everyone else does too.

But do people "need" to go to raves, beaches, cinemas? do we really need to go into shops and buy a new summer outfit?

Who are you to deem what is worthy of where to go and what to do though?
People are ALLOWED to do all those things. Yes, people might need new clothes or want to go for a day out.
As long as they socially distance, take their litter home etc no problem.

Oh sod off @TibetanTerrier. People have already done 3 months of lockdown. They are now losing jobs, money, other health issues not being treated, children not being educated. The general population has done their bit. Time for things to open up carefully.

Oh and for the record my grandmother lost her hair and eyebrows and eyelashes through shock and trauma during the Blitz, and the latter 2 never grew back. She also had what would probably be diagnosed with PTSD these days. So it’s not like everyone got out of that unscathed either.

No. My teens have sacrificed GCSEs, and God knows what impact on their future.

We are working all hours to cover colleagues - on our knees.
We've been cautious, we followed the rules..

When the old boys' network resumed on the golf course, yet playgrounds remained shut, I thought fuck it.

I agree with you OP. But it seems that Mumsnet doesn't agree with us.

@TibetanTerrier. You say people sat in air raid shelters without disintegrating - many people did just that( just as many people are coping well with lockdown) but many people suffered dreadful long term effects. I can remember a teacher who in the 1970s (so 30 years after the blitz) would dive under a table if a plane passing overhead made a particular sound that triggered memories of bombs dropping. With hindsight she clearly had undiagnosed PTSD. I don’t think she is in some way lesser or weaker than my granny who lived through the same blitz and didn’t suffer PTSD.

Returning soldiers over history have suffered from shell shock, a form of PTSD. For centuries women were said to have done into ‘decline’ or had a ‘wasting disease’ now called depression or anorexia.

The only difference between now and then is that people nowadays are more open about mental health. If (like me) you are lucky enough to have got through this without any adverse effects you should be grateful for your own resilience not judging the less fortunate.

Be Kind.

The virus is still around us and it is just as serious as it has been since the beginning. There is no cure or effective treatment and people of all ages are dieing or suffering life-changing damage.

Getting the lawmakers to change the rules (1 metre rather than 2 etc.) doesn't change the risks being taken. They don't have that sort of power.

However, we can't all isolate forever.

In the end, whether you are an essential worker, someone without income, or a person feeling lonely, you have to weigh up the gains against the risks make a choice about getting on with life.

To me, a meal out/shopping that could be done online/sight-seeing tour/cinema visit would be lovely - but it wouldn't be worth the risk.

Education / work / looking after those who need help might be.

I'll be making my family as safe and happy as I can - while continuing to accept the risks we have to take.

I just won't be frivolous in using any 'new freedoms'.

As long as they socially distance, take their litter home etc no problem.

Absolutely. The problem is that people are not able to social distance when places are very busy, are less likely to social distance once they’ve had a few drinks and they aren’t taking litter home.

OP. Very interested in your new ways to make the economy tick. What do you suggest my best friends who own a pub do? Or my two friends who are hairdressers? Or the one who is a wedding planner? The one who is a theatre manager?

And funny those saying ‘thankgod the NHS staff care’ .. those I know working in hospitals as nurses & doctors are some of the worst rule breakers I’ve seen!

And ‘Bournemouth will be the big test’ .. so about a month ago when people flocked to Bournemouth, Brighton, Durdle Door & people we’re OUTRAGED wasn’t a test then? The fact there’s been zero spike from a month ago shall be ignored & it will be this particular heatwave that’s the real test. 🙄

Raves are still not permitted anyway, so irrelevant to your post

Very good point, nobody should be doing that anyway and I definitely haven't and won;t, same as with gatherings and parties etc - still not allowed.
Going to the shops and the beach IS allowed though, and the cinema will be soon too.

When the old boys' network resumed on the golf course, yet playgrounds remained shut, I thought fuck it.

That’s your choice but surely you can see the difference between golf and playgrounds.

Exactly @Quarantimespringclean

So many selfish cunts.

@Devlesko what an awful comment.
And Who is being selfish exactly?

So many selfish cunts.

I’m not sure which ‘side’ you are on but I think that’s a bit much. Most people are just trying to get through what is a very difficult time for them.

So many selfish cunts.

Yes, earning money to pay tax is so selfish.

I agree with you OP.

Yanbu but at the same time people doneed some normality. I do think there is a happy medium, where people check out when shops/beaches etc are at their quietest, go into one shop instead of a number of them etc, be vigilant about hand hygiene, mask wearing etc

We went to the beach today and yesterday. We're in NE Scotland, there was loads of space and as far as I could see everyone took their rubbish home. We certainly did. Ds and I went swimming in the sea. We also tried a new place for lunch which was delicious and we will definitely visit again, hopefully when we can sit inside rather than just have takeout.

Bournemouth looks horrendous though. No idea why people would just want to keep packing themselves in there. I don't think I could stand it without coronavirus.

I do think people need to get out though. In one Facebook group I'm in so many people are reporting weight gain in their children/themselves. The longer the lack of exercise continues the harder it will be to rebuild healthy habits.

Going to the shops and the beach IS allowed though, and the cinema will be soon too.
In Ireland they're opening everything over the next month but the ads still tell people to try to stay at home. So they seem to be saying we know you need to do things, just be careful

Let's hope all the other selfish fuckers think the same, we could do with a cull, too many people in the world anyhow

I hope you don't kiss your kids with that mouth.

Why do people think the litter on beaches is related to people "breaking lockdown"
It's always been a massive problem
www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11107696.beach-litter-reducing-but-levels-in-dorset-double-the-uk-average/
www.bbc.co.uk/dorset/content/articles/2005/03/23/beaches_feature.shtml

Glad to see most replies wanting normality now. But I have now hidden the CV topic again, after a few days of unhiding it.

Don't be so bloody ridiculous. Going out is not the same thing as being stupid. One can exercise caution but not suffer from hysteria. If your are clever enough to work out and implement a new way for the economy to work, then have at it, but so far that had eluded the greatest economists, so I guess we cannot expect you to come up with it by next week.

And as for the sanctimonious experts who think that sitting at home will fix everything - who are you expecting to pay for you to sit at home whinging about people putting you at risk? The rest of us? Because that won't be happening. Nice lifestyle if you can afford to stay at home for the rest of your life or however long it takes. The rest of us won't be paying for it though, and actually we'd like to have a life before we die

Glad to see most replies wanting normality now.

I quite certain everyone wants normal life to resume. People just disagree with the best way forward which is to be expected. It’s a shame these threads result in name calling and people wishing death on others. Ive seen really kindness from some people throughout this whole thing but it really has brought out the worst in some people.

No I won't.