Why wouldn't people cooperate with track and trace?

[MRex]

Reports seem to suggest 1 in 4 people won't cooperate with track and trace. Why would that be?

I can understand perhaps a few contacts being hidden and contacted privately in some cases. Or your occasional black market worker / drug dealer / etc, maybe contacting people privately or not. But 1 in 4 is loads. Any ideas?

I can't work anyway. If you know people you can contact them yourself and if you don't know them the tracers can't contact them
Anyone can ring you and claim to be a tracer. It's a shambles
I was fully supportive of track and trace until I saw the mess this government have made of the whole thing

Skylark. If you read my whole post where you've copied the first sentence. You'll see the third point I made viewers just what you've asked

ItsWhineTime what part of ‘I will not be in close enough contact to catch it’ are you struggling with?
I won’t be going to pubs, cafes, having takeaways, gathering with other people (indoors or outdoors) closer than 3m, playing football, going into a play park......etc etc. Nothing. Zip. So if I got a call it would be a mistake, a scam or someone telling malicious lies.

Current track and trace is not based on being at a bus stop, nor being unintentionally identified in flats. It's people being asked to confirm who they have spent over 15 min with at less than a 2m distance. Healthcare staff wearing correct PPE are excluded. There are still apparently 1 in 4 not complying. It looks like a lot of people don't really understand it, or don't think it matters.

There are plenty of people who are inside for more than 15 minutes with others, teachers, care workers, NHS staff, anyone who gets public transport. None of these are breaking the rules to be asked to isolate ffs. It's one of the reasons so many schools shut pre lockdown, staff isolating meant there weren't enough teachers.

Public servants are lucky, they get paid. Many other jobs will only get SSP and can't afford to isolate. I don't blame them for not. They need to provide for their families.

I thought most of the people were uncontactable rather than deliberately didn't comply?

I am almost certain I have had it. I will get an antibody test as soon as I can. I would not isolate if were told I had been in close proximity to an infected person and so there's no point running the app.

We would probably do it (sahm and dh will be working from home for the foreseeable future) but I'd be a lot happier if I knew who had given our details.

However most of my close friends don't have a phone number for me, we use messenger/facetime instead. I don't answer the house phone unless I recognize the number/am expecting a call (too many junk calls). My mobile has had a flat battery since mid April and I'm on the electoral roll/council tax records under my maiden name (used for work) as opposed to my married name which all the people likely to be close enough to pass coronavirus onto me know. Our last name also happens to be pretty common in this part of Scotland.

What does correct PPE mean? Full masks and gown or surgical masks and pinny like most of us are doing?

I don't have a mobile at all and I'm sure as fuck not buying one just for this. I also don't answer the house phone unless I'm expecting a call. In fact, I don't talk on the phone much at all.

because self isolating is also bad for people. their health, finances, happiness, families. all of it.

@DisobedientHamster

I don't have a mobile at all and I'm sure as fuck not buying one just for this. I also don't answer the house phone unless I'm expecting a call. In fact, I don't talk on the phone much at all.

I'm not sure what your point is, no one is expecting you to buy a phone. There will always be people who can't be contacted for one reason or another, contracttracing has been going on for years, they know all this, it's not a reason not to have a system

Even if the sucess rate is only 50% that's a significant reduction in the possibility of increased cases

Unfortunately I can't afford to self isolate if I get the phone call from a contact tracer.

The reasons are that

• I'm self employed, so if I don't work I don't get paid
• My business has already been massively screwed by lockdown (it's a business reliant on events)
• I'm one of the 3 million people who have fallen through all the cracks of government support - I have been unable to claim a single penny.

I've changed my business model in order to try and keep the wolf from the door, but for me, self isolation means not being able to pay the rent or put food on the table.

If the government wants me to self isolate, they need to make it financially feasible. Until then, I'll be unable to cooperate with track and trace.

I'm not sure what your point is, no one is expecting you to buy a phone. There will always be people who can't be contacted for one reason or another, contracttracing has been going on for years, they know all this, it's not a reason not to have a system

Even if the sucess rate is only 50% that's a significant reduction in the possibility of increased cases

It's a statement. Not everything is a tool for debate, personal to oneself or anything other than a statement of fact. Pretty chippy way to go through life, taking everything that comes out of someone's mouth as a tool to twist into an argument . Wow, that's bitter AF. Feel sorry for those who have to live around people like that, such hard work.

The success probably won't be near 50% because, as many many people have stated, they cannot afford to self-isolated, possibly several times. That should be patently obvious to anyone with a brain as to why plenty of people will not cooperate.

I assume if people don’t cooperate then they may introduce fines

I'm pretty sure you get SSP

Ever tried living off that pittance, even for two weeks? People fall even deeper into rent arrears and debt.

I think the reason all health staff have to wear ppe full time on NHS premises is so that they aren't included in track and trace so no isolating.
This does however mean that and local outbreaks in a hospital will take a bit longer to pick up.
How do they contact you though?Do they leave a message or only talk to you if you answer the phone?

@DisobedientHamster

I don't have a mobile at all and I'm sure as fuck not buying one just for this. I also don't answer the house phone unless I'm expecting a call. In fact, I don't talk on the phone much at all.

Bit weird. You need caller display

Bit weird. You need caller display

I have PTSD. Glad my condition is something for you to sneer at.

For me it's

Company involved with Cummings and Cambridge analytics etc
Don't trust them at all

My understanding is it works via Bluetooth. I keep mine off except when using it
(Happy to be corrected on that)

Trials show it's shit

If they get the Apple/ Google one then probably

How many millions have they haemorraghed on this, making the Dominic Cummings one, when they could have got the apple Google one? And why?

It's a shitshow.

Lots of people won't answer the phone to unknown numbers. (Too many scam callers, etc.) As someone who has to answer their phone every time (work calls) there are any awful lot of scam callers. There are already track and trace scams operating, so a proportion of people even who answer the phone will think it's not genuine.

And that's before we get onto people who can't afford to lose another 2 weeks' income.

@ShinyFootball

For me it's

Company involved with Cummings and Cambridge analytics etc
Don't trust them at all

My understanding is it works via Bluetooth. I keep mine off except when using it
(Happy to be corrected on that)

Trials show it's shit

If they get the Apple/ Google one then probably

How many millions have they haemorraghed on this, making the Dominic Cummings one, when they could have got the apple Google one? And why?

It's a shitshow.

This isn't about an app, there currently is no app, why have you posted all that?

It's a human behaviour type problem, and quite an interesting one ime. Why don't people want to give out there contacts, why won't people answer the phone to unknown numbers, why won't people isolate for the good of society etc

There will be many many reasons for each aspect

In the future it will be very interesting to read any analysis of this

Because there is no data protection guarantee for the information the app would collect on you. Because not enough people will use it for it to work.

If one Paramedic is contacted under track and trace
a whole hospital grinds to a halt

people are meant to isolate even if they have already had it

the system should be around TESTING
and RISK

but its all about Money for Cummings mates

All those saying if you are contacted you aren't socially distancing properly. I'm a secondary teacher and I'm not really sure how this applies in schools - I can't fit my full class in my room and be 2m away from them. So if a student/staff member tests positive that would probably be quite a few that need to isolate.

Hopefully they will also speed up his quickly you get your results too, otherwise the winter will be chaos - coughs are a constant in school and the current system would have a steady stream of staff and students missing 2-3 days whilst they wait for their results. You can imagine the scenario Jimmy in school on Monday develops a cough and is sent for a test (comes back negative on Wednesday). Jimmy is back on Thursday as he doesn't have covid, but he does have a cough which spreads round the school. Over the next couple of weeks several hundred students and staff develop Jimmy's non-covid cough and have to isolate whilst waiting for the results.