Why wouldn't people cooperate with track and trace?

[MRex]

Reports seem to suggest 1 in 4 people won't cooperate with track and trace. Why would that be?

I can understand perhaps a few contacts being hidden and contacted privately in some cases. Or your occasional black market worker / drug dealer / etc, maybe contacting people privately or not. But 1 in 4 is loads. Any ideas?

[itsgettingweird]

Money I would think.

£90ssp is t going to sit it for low income families who work NMW zero hours contracts.

And I think the truth is also more likely those on these contracts will be the ones who have contact.

Imagine doing that frequently - even monthly for a few months in a row.

I just hope the UC are able to keep on top of this to make sure people get the extra support through this quickly each time the go onto SSP.

[ItsWhineTime]

@HunterHearstHelmsley

I'd want to know who had apparently been in contact with me. If that information was supplied then I would listen.

The person calling you won’t know that either.

[TerrapinStation]

@flamingochill

There's no limit to the number of times that you could be asked to self isolate so if you're unlucky you'd be screwed. Not sure you even get sick pay?

If you were contacted more than once wouldn't it be your own fault for not following the guidance?

If I had to isolate I'd probably be paranoid about having to do it again so would be making sure I wasn't in that situation again

[flack]

There are loads of MNers who won't answer the door if they aren't expecting anyone. i assume they won't answer phone calls if not expecting a call, too.

[MitziK]

DP's contract only pays him for 17 hours. If we go somewhere, register and then get a 14 day wonder a week later, he goes down from the 40 hours a week he's currently getting to 17, thus losing 46 hours' work in the process.

We can't afford that. Not if he's not ill. And not if it could happen every other week in the future, just for wanting to go to the local on a Friday after work and actually see friends for the first time in months. Or his parents.

[ItsWhineTime]

I bet when infections rise, Boris will get the blame. Not the mumsnetters who refuse to comply with the system that is enabling the country to get back to normal.

[rubabayaga]

It'sWhinetime the govt already sells nhs patient info though...
“Do patients know – have they even been told by the one in seven GP practices across England that pass on their clinical details – that their medical histories are being sold to multinational pharma companies in the US and around the world?”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/nhs-medical-data-sales-american-pharma-lack-transparency

[TheHobbitMum]

Lack of pay would be my concern, I couldn't afford 2wks on SSP or no pay. Plenty of people have to prioritise feeding kids & paying bills

[TerrapinStation]

@MitziK

DP's contract only pays him for 17 hours. If we go somewhere, register and then get a 14 day wonder a week later, he goes down from the 40 hours a week he's currently getting to 17, thus losing 46 hours' work in the process.

We can't afford that. Not if he's not ill. And not if it could happen every other week in the future, just for wanting to go to the local on a Friday after work and actually see friends for the first time in months. Or his parents.

In that situation you don't go to the pub and you see family and friends outside with appropriate distance. If would be crazy to risk a job for non reasons

[NaturalBornWoman]

@TheHobbitMum

Lack of pay would be my concern, I couldn't afford 2wks on SSP or no pay. Plenty of people have to prioritise feeding kids & paying bills

But as several people have already said, if everyone follows the rules the chances of being in contact with an infected person are really low. The chance of it happening more than once is tiny. The only way to relax the lockdown without the virus spreading exponentially again is to comply with test and trace so that any outbreaks that do occur can be contained. It’s ridiculous to refuse on the basis of loss of income because if people don’t comply we’ll end up locked down again and the financial impact will be greater. Plus you’ll potentially cause someone’s death.

[helpfulperson]

My understanding is that it is only initially people you have been with for 15 mins at less than 2m distance. So most likely where families are meeting or extended households formed.

Where the pub data would come in if there is a cluster of cases related to a particular venue then they would want to trace everything as the risk of infection is obviously higher for some reason.

[MitziK]

But aren't we failing in our patriotic duty to spend money to get the economy back on its feet that way?

We've already decided that the lockdown lifting only really applies to people with fulltime contracts and 100% sickpay for both adults. And his disabled father will just have to cope on his own for the indefinite future, as he's 250 miles away. As long as he doesn't have another stroke or catch it himself because he's had to leave the flat to get his own shopping, what with the shielding programme ending soon, that is.

But in reality, our situation isn't unique and it is things like that which will encourage people to not comply.

[itsgettingweird]

Yeah there is an irony that track and trace will actually only apply to people who haven't social distanced.

But they are also the ones not likely to isolate. Legs face it - they'd be distancing in the first place if they have a shit.

I suspect the ones who do isolate are the ones who have been in close contact through work. And will get paid for being off.

[MitziK]

@helpfulperson

My understanding is that it is only initially people you have been with for 15 mins at less than 2m distance. So most likely where families are meeting or extended households formed.

Where the pub data would come in if there is a cluster of cases related to a particular venue then they would want to trace everything as the risk of infection is obviously higher for some reason.

Waiting for the bus to go to work, then.

Or on the bus.

Or at work for DP. Multiple clients a day, many self employed/ZHC, with him for an average of 45-90 minutes a time.

Essential worker, too. Like me. But at least I'd get full sick pay for the multiple times I'd get the call.

[ineedaholidaynow]

If social distancing and PPE worn then shouldn’t have to self isolate. If people follow the rules then hopefully most people shouldn’t get the phone call

[helpfulperson]

Why would you be within 2m at a bus stop. On a bus you are wearing PPE so are excluded from test and trace. And seeing clients, again why are you closer than 2m and if you are wear a face covering.

[skylarkdescending]

Yeah there is an irony that track and trace will actually only apply to people who haven't social distanced.

Erm... what about all the essential workers who have no choice but to work closely with others? Teachers/school staff, medical staff?

Not everyone has PPE available. It won't always mean that you have been 'breaking the rules'.

[MRex]

Actually I presumed the non compliance was people refusing to give their contacts, rather than refusing to isolate. I naively assumed most people would actually isolate, but it looks like a lot of you wouldn't.

Thanks for the answers ladies.

[Saucery]

My ‘non compliance ‘ will be in not answering the phone in the first place. It’s a half-arsed system wide open to scams and abuse. There have already been calls to people asking for bank details.

I know how it is spread and I can avoid all exposure this summer, so any phone call I got would be a) a mistake b) malicious information c) a scam.

[MitziK]

@helpfulperson

Why would you be within 2m at a bus stop. On a bus you are wearing PPE so are excluded from test and trace. And seeing clients, again why are you closer than 2m and if you are wear a face covering.

Because 45 people waiting for any of 8 buses that stop there won't be able to fit on the street if 2m apart? The line would stretch across the main junction and past the next bus stop along (for the buses that follow a similar route before turning left instead of right in the town centre).

He can't wear a face covering for Deaf clients. The clear visor doesn't stop warm vapour rising. And I didn't actually see anything that says track and trace doesn't apply if you tell them 'oh, I wore a visor'.

[ItsWhineTime]

@Saucery

My ‘non compliance ‘ will be in not answering the phone in the first place. It’s a half-arsed system wide open to scams and abuse. There have already been calls to people asking for bank details.

I know how it is spread and I can avoid all exposure this summer, so any phone call I got would be a) a mistake b) malicious information c) a scam.

Ok then, you go ahead and spread the virus and maybe kill someone. Proud of yourself?

[Solasum]

I live in the middle of London, and I simply don’t believe Track and Trace would work properly here. Most people live in flats. The system would have to be able to distinguish accurately between people 2 metres away from each other in one room and floors or walls apart, is it really likely to be able to do that? Because if it can’t I might be told to isolate because a neighbour I have never actually seen face to face tests positive.

[ItsWhineTime]

solasum

If you’ve never met them face to face then you won’t be asked to isolate. I wish people would read up on this. The things people believe to be true is very worrying

[ThousandsAreSailing]

ItsWhineTime
And you are as big a fool as BJ if you think this government is capable of planning anything. You are also incapable of a good argument if you have to resort to insulrs

[ThousandsAreSailing]

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