Do you think things are opening too fast?

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My friend has just said she's not rushing into anything /going anywhere for the rest of the year.
Do you think Lockdown is over too fast ?

If the economy tanks, those on a minimum wage often suffer more, as they're less likely to have savings to carry them through a period of unemployment or high price inflation.

I believe that Boris is more concerned with the economy than lives

Such a stupid statement like the economy doesn't matter 🤦

@user1497207191 they are public services. I entirely agree they need to reopen their doors asap. However they are funded by tax and the economy. If people do not go back to work and the ecomony is not flowing we will not have these services. I think alot of people are under the illusion places are reopening so we can all have a nice time! The economy and jobs is vital to our public services

Maybe you’ll be sacked anyway fessmess with that attitude towards customers in the business that your employers very much want to keep open for the sake of their livelihoods (and yours).
One of the many out of work young people facing vastly diminished employment opportunities may snap up your job happily.
Good luck with your anxiety. The NHS will be unable to treat mental health issues or Covid patients if the economy isn’t functioning adequately to pay for it.

Fessmess night there be any point in contacting your boss at your workplace to chat about the modifications they plan to have in place ?

People aren't going to be Milling around pubs they have to sit at a table and use an app or table service, no mooching about.
I was in Aldi at the weekend neither staff or customers were distancing. Some of the staff were practically pushing past me.
I understand why, those of us that have been working throughout are probably a little more relaxed about it all and have remained safe.

But the argument about drunk people not socially distancing his is happening in lots of places..... I go to the pub have a meal and a couple of drinks i don't get hammered. I'd assume when some realise the pubs will not quite be the same and they can't sit in large groups getting really drunk etc they won't rush out. Most just want the option there to go. Opening up on the 4th a Saturday is bonkers tho!

Yes, I think it's wrong to open Pubs.

Priorities should be education, being at work, takeaways, manufacturing industry (esp all the new PPE made in UK - hurray !!), outdoor sports, outdoor play for children, infrastructure, healthcare and research, universities, allowing families and friends to see each other in small groups, outdoors if poss.

Pubs are non-essential.

It feels a little bit fast for me to be honest.

I can only assume gov't was lobbied heavily to open Pubs. It does not make sense scientifically healthwise otherwise. I think it will be a great environment for spreading the virus.

I personally resent the whole blokey approach - oh let's have a beer, do a bar crawl.

For every SAGE advisor saying 'no' there'll be economic and health advisors saying another 1/2/3 weeks of lockdown will likely result in X number of job losses, X number of businesses folding, X number of people at risk of homelessness, X number of suicides, X number of poverty related deaths, X number of people needing MORE NHS care due to delays caused by CV, X number of people needing MH treatment due to CV and lockdown, X number of people dying because they cannot get the NHS treatment they need because it has an overwhelming backlog, X number of NHS services closing because despite increased need, there's no fucking money.

I work in the NHS and theres already plans being put in place to cut certain services because most trusts go over budget a few DAYS into the new financial year anyway and this year, there's additional costs of paying for shielding staff and all those staff having 7-14 days off isolating with suspected symptoms (them or their family) before testing came in and still now for days at a time till they get a negative result. That can't be helped but it costs a huge amount of money. My trust has only recently gone below 200 staff off per DAY with CV related issues, the majority of whom haven't had CV but are shielding or isolating.

It's a difficult balance to strike but it really isn't 'economy over lives', the economy IS lives.

Austerity measures a few years ago caused far more excess deaths than CV and if we thought that was bad, the result of CV and lockdown will be far, far worse.

Every week we wait for everyone to be happy 'it's safe enough' is another week which will longitudinally result in more deaths than the ones caused by CV.

The government will have been lobbied by every sector badly affected not just pubs: airlines, theatres and so on. They are fighting to survive it.

I do think we are at the limit of what the economy can endure now and has to reopen.

Priorities should be education, being at work, takeaways, manufacturing industry (esp all the new PPE made in UK - hurray !!), outdoor sports, outdoor play for children, infrastructure, healthcare and research, universities, allowing families and friends to see each other in small groups, outdoors if poss.

Pubs are non-essential.

You do realise pubs opening is part of getting people back to work? That’s why they’re opening.

“I think alot of people are under the illusion places are reopening so we can all have a nice time! The economy and jobs is vital to our public services.”

Well said

@fortmums It's not 'blokey'. Its that the alcohol industry is worth about 50 billion a year to the UK economy, most of which is historically on-licence (pubs, restaurants, hotels etc). The last 3 months of pubs and restaurants being closed have lost literally billions of pounds for the economy.

You might think pubs are non-essential but they are essential to the economy. Outdoor sports, play parks, healthcare, research, education etc are all valid and needed but make fuck all money for the UK (and many actually cost money).

The country needs money. It surprises me that people don't realise how much these industries contribute and think the government are so stupid to reopen industries just so people can have a jolly old pub crawl .

The country NEEDS the money.

Not actually going anywhere though as I can't face all the bollocks queues and weird divide between people who seem to want to brush past me for kicks, and people who leap out of the way like they've been set on fire

Yes.

I think it's a little quick but on the other hand it's a good idea eg to make people use pubs have to sit at tables and not stand at the bar etc. Might make the whole experience a little more civilised and fewer people getting completely ratarsed and needing A&E on a Friday or Saturday night.

No mention about driving lessons? It's difficult, you can't be even 1m apart but on the other hand we've got a bunch of late teens who've nothing to do as all the festivals, holidays, exams were cancelled and it would be good for them to be able to do something constructive over the summer. I have a friend who had been planning a 4 July return with masks and windows open but there doesn't seem to have been any mention of driving.

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I believe the science not the self-serving tories.

@cologne4711 my dad is a driving instructor. They have been given no guidance at all. I have joked he will have tl get a convertible and do lessons with the roof down but really it isnt funny as they have been forgotten.

“the alcohol industry is worth about 50 billion a year to the UK economy” yeah, that explains why this risk is being taken. I think this just illustrates boozed up britain and one of the many embarrassments of this country.

No. I thought they'd be open this week. Everyone needs to make their own decisions. I'd rather take a slight risk than carry on with this.

Does the scientist have anything to say about those who will be plunged into poverty, or won't be able to access essential services because they have been cut to the bone?

my dad is a driving instructor. They have been given no guidance at all. I have joked he will have tl get a convertible and do lessons with the roof down but really it isnt funny as they have been forgotten

It's rubbish isn't it, I really feel for my friend. He can't earn ££ any other way. At least my friend who is a personal trainer is able to do video training and online programming and make a bit of cash while she is waiting for the gyms to reopen.

We live in a society where the economy is worth more than human lives, people are so greedy and can't do without buying stuff.
Those who think it's too soon can hopefully isolate for longer, whilst those happy to take the risk can go out and about.
It's a personal decision, and you do what's right for you and your family.
Mine are at home until at least September, not sure if my dd school will be open fully in September.

We live in a society where the economy is worth more than human lives, people are so greedy and can't do without buying stuff.

Do you think the sole purpose of the economy is people buying stuff?

We live in a society where the economy is worth more than human lives

I don't know how many times it needs to be explained that 'the economy' is not something seperate from 'human lives'.

people are so greedy and can't do without buying stuff

"Buying stuff" keeps people in jobs and paying the taxes which fund the NHS and other essential services for all those 'human lives'.

@fessmess

Once again, those on low wage are facing the biggest risk. Factories, pubs, shops etc. All those crying for it all to open up "for the economy", how many of you have to be part of it??

Many factories and shops have never closed. I have been working in a hospital throughout. Honestly (and i mean this kindly) it really won't be as bad as you think. You may even enjoy it ( assuming you enjoyed your job pre covid)