Do people think it’s over now?

[SpookyNoise]

I’m surprised at how many people seem to think the lockdown is over and there is no threat from the virus. I’ve had a friend ask us over for dinner in their house, and my son has had a friend ask him over to play. We declined both invites, obviously. Has anyone else got friends who think it’s all over?

It's not really worth explaining it to them again as it goes way over their heads

It’s really not possible to explain it to them because there’s no logic to it. None.

"our police force aren't in any position to police families and friends going to each other's houses"
IAintentDead is that what you teach your children? "if you can't get caught it's not immoral/illegal/stupird"

@user1471510720 is that you Dominic 🤣

I'm waiting to see. Hoping people will respect my trying to stick to the 2 metre distance and not insist on coming up close.

@ohthegoats

That is just so boring now .

And as he did not mix households let alone take part in a rally with thousands totally ignoring SD its a bit irrelevant .

For those say ing get back to normal I’m all right jack , I will tell that to the family I know who lost their mum at age 46 , leaving 3 teenage children . I am sure they will be totally understanding .

Why can’t people just get their heads round the fact we are supposed to be opening up slowly and not mixing households where SD and taking care is much more difficult .

Normal life won’t be normal for a while if you have even an ounce of common sense .

I’m half and half. My job is one where social distancing is impossible and I’ve been doing it through lockdown so in one way it’s been fairly normal and yet I’m still staying away from town and other people in general outside of work and I feel my mum is more at risk now than during lockdown.

Italy now have the rule that grandparents can freely hug their grandchildren who are (under 10?)

It's not all about you it's about the whole of society.

It was in the beginning but with groups like the shielding left hanging for 100 days with no end date announced, we are certainly not all in this together any more. People are "using their instinct" and doing normal stuff like going back to work because that's what the government wants now.

Relaxation of lockdown has disproportionately affected some groups over others and some groups have returned closer to pre-COVID life than others. Shocking that you can reopen pub gardens and serve alcohol when drunk people are not the best at social distancing 😂 when there's no plan about how people in care homes can have visitors safely.

We've had our family round to our flat, we've deemed the risk for ourselves and just to get on with our lives. "But what about society".....I am part of society, I didn't agree to being locked up or sacrificed for the sake of others. I didn't vote for this. People are inherently selfish and there's only so long each of us can give up living our full life for. The economic consequences/depression will cause a lot more future deaths than the virus, which is dwindling down, so we are pretty much normal now. I've queued for Primark and everything.

I think, whether we agree or not, people are deciding to put their mental health above their physical health now. It was always going to be a weigh up of the two eventually I think.

Well, not for the people killed because someone self-centred passed the virus onto them

Eh? I can't pass it onto someone unless they allow me to pass it on to them. If you are so concerned, you stay at home, quit your job, wash your hands, disinfect your shopping and dive into the road when a person comes near you. It takes 2 to spread a virus.

We have a house with family with MH issues, lockdown has exacerbated this hugely and with no clear date in sight of when whole family groups and boyfriends / girlfriends can actually physically meet again - the depression has deepened. We are at the point of having to prioritise MH above the written guidelines. That doesn’t mean going to an illicit rave, just seeing and hugging loved ones again.

Interesting attitudes here to 'doing as I like'. I wonder if people who 'do as they like' take the same attitude to other laws?

Well, there aren't many other laws that have overridden people's Human rights, so in no way comparable.

Interesting attitudes here to 'doing as I like'. I wonder if people who 'do as they like' take the same attitude to other laws?

Some people take their kids on term-time holidays and are happy to swallow the fine?

Many people take drugs recreationally or park on double yellows?

@rosie you are ok to enter peoples houses to either use the loo, wash your hands or access the garden so I very much doubt many people will be fined for being in someone else's house

Did Rosie say which nation she was in? It's confusing with the different guidelines and keeping track of which country is being discussed.

LST it is an almost impossible law to police but is never the less a law with a fine so technically you are breaking the law.

I’m just getting on with things now. Can’t live in fear forever, I refuse to do that.

I’ll take my chances.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52880399 am in England

@rosie I am not breaking the law if I have people in my garden that go into my house to use the loo, wash their hands or to access said garden.

No that's fine it's only if they stay in the house.

I can see why it's so hard to get people to comply. It's a threat they can't see, and people are naturally inclined to view people they know as less risky, illogical though that is. There's statistics and then there's your subjective risk assessment. It's the same irony as the fact that most child abuse is committed by people the child knows, and yet what we all have in our minds is the horrible cases of stranger abductions that make the press.

I agree with LockdownLou, we been following the rules, But I see nothing wrong with going and having a cup of tea with my mum and making sure her mental well being is alright.

We are making sure we are doing everything we can to minimise the risk but we can't hide from this virus for every.

As soon as Primark opened, Lockdown ended. It will be even worse once pubs open.

I can't pass it onto someone unless they allow me to pass it on to them. If you are so concerned, you stay at home, quit your job, wash your hands, disinfect your shopping and dive into the road when a person comes near you. It takes 2 to spread a virus.

I think one of the reasons the govt feared a natural peak is that it would become every one for selves. Quitting their job is exactly what many medical, teaching, vital utility supplies staff etc would do, or rather just not going in. I don't think many people would be go in during the peak. Which would in itself drag it out. Obviously retail, entertainment etc would have fallen much earlier. It was already beginning to fall and close down at before lockdown, and that was nothing like we would have seen closer to a natural peak.

Even now, if infections can be kept lower using various measures while being somewhat 'normal', no one can choose to withdraw themselves entirely from the risk. If you need urgent medical care you would probably venture out and a higher level of infection means fewer medical services available, and a higher risk of catching the virus while you access the limited resources.

Re asymptomatic cases, a recent study in annals of internal medicine suggested that among one dataset...I think it was prison population but struggling to find right link atm, the number who were asymptomatic was about 95%! In others much lower, I think it averaged out about 40% iirc. More worryingly though of the 94% who'd experienced no symptoms, 54% had suffered lung damage.

What are you going to do when life gets back to normal in 2 weeks? So many people are going to have nothing to police