World beating Track and Trace

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What's happened to this? I've lost track of days, weeks, months and now this. Boris was proclaiming it's worth last time I saw him on TV. Is it working? Has it gone countrywide? What's going on?

Latest NHS Test and Trace data is out. It relates to the week 4 June - 10 June. It shows a better reach than the first week. Hopefully some of the glitches have been ironed out and the public are more aware of the process.

▶️ 5,949 positive cases transferred to service
▶️ 73% reached to provide contacts

▶️ 44,895 contacts identified
▶️ 91% of identified contacts were reached and advised to self-isolate

Hi newnewt. The cases initially receive (I think) 4 automatic text/email invites to input the info themselves via gov website.

If they don't respond that's when we receive the escalation.

The non responders may be sick, elderly, children or just not wanting to respond.

It's an 0300 number and we do leave VM's with a scripted message saying who we are and telling them to await the call from our number.

I also tell them I will reschedule the call for 4 hours time and the call goes pack in the pool for another clinician to pick up at that time.

After 4 failed attempts over 48 hours they are closed off as a failed contact. It's difficult but if people don't want to answer that is within their right to do so.

So the system is only as good as the information we are able to obtain from the public.

newnewt. And regarding a supermarket trip.....I'd use good old google to find the postcode and key that in along with the dates and times. This then collates info which helps with tracking infections. There's lots of options for us to put say 'concert' 'park' 'gathering' etc

In the contacts identified figure, are the people in the household ( of the person confirmed positive) included in it ? If so they could Form a high proportion of this figure.

I would assume contacts outside the home Involve a lot more time/effort for TT.

thanks for explaining secretsout - good to know the system emails/texts first - I would respond to that to the best of my ability.

Daily mail says app is to be abandoned in favour of a Google or Apple construct. It'll be a world beating winner.

It is all just looking extremely ill thought out and chaotic.

It is all just looking extremely ill thought out and chaotic.

Which was predicted a few days in. Once again the efficiency of cynicism.

I am now even more determined not to download any stupid apps this government asks.

With so many concerns about the app, I'd have thought it would be just as effective for the contact tracing data of public places infected people have been put on a public website and then people could keep an eye on it if they don't want to download the app.

So for instance like a zoomable map 'Sainsburys Luton 10am-10.30 Thursday 8th July' or whatever, or public transport services and approximate location.

Then people have another way of seeing if they might have been exposed.

With so many concerns about the app

It's not just the "app" - it's the whole damn shooting match.

To be honest, given how piss poor the UK has done up till now, there's a very good case to be made for simply jacking it all in and giving up.

To be honest, given how piss poor the UK has done up till now, there's a very good case to be made for simply jacking it all in and giving up.

There really isn’t. That would be the way to usher in not just a second wave but a tsunami.

I'd rather they did a trial, found it didn't work and so changed direction rather than ploughing on regardless.

I'd rather they did a trial, found it didn't work and so changed direction rather than ploughing on regardless.

That presupposes the original criteria was to "create a working track and trace system" not "bung as much money as you can to my chums before anyone notices".

It was noted (in these threads) how flawed the UK "app" was long before we needed to spend millions of pounds in it.

I'd rather they did a trial, found it didn't work and so changed direction rather than ploughing on regardless.

You may be in the wrong country then ....

That presupposes the original criteria was to "create a working track and trace system" not "bung as much money as you can to my chums before anyone notices"

You're bringing common sense into it now, DGRossetti - not always a wise thing to do when our governments attempt I.T. initiatives

You're bringing common sense into it now, DGRossetti - not always a wise thing to do when our governments attempt I.T. initiatives

Yeah, I know.

Back to my work trying to locate counterterrorists I guess.

According to Matt Hancock at today’s briefing, they have been trialling both technologies and neither worked adequately, so now they are going to work with Google and Apple to produce an app which includes the best features of both...but no timescale.

thecatspjammas. The way it works is that the case (the person who tested positive) information is given to the clinicians. Once we've provided them with health related information and advice we move on to capture details of their contacts.

Part of our training included a webinar from an expert behavioural team that looked at how memory works and methods to jog memories.

The first section of the contact capture relates to household members. Then you move on to people (contacts) who have visited the household, of the case has been to their workplace etc. We also then explore things like shopping, socialising etc. This will become more relevant as lockdown is eased. It is pretty comprehensive at attempting to capture as many people as possible that could have been exposed to the case.

holyhead. I think that's the idea. Someone told me that's what is happening in Australia or NZ (can't remember where)

bung as much money as you can to my chums before anyone notices

I wish everyone would stop spouting this line. It is fake fgs. DH works in health IT and knows pretty much everyone who worked on teh NSHX app, both internally, and externally. NONE of them are connected to Cummings. NONE.

I wish everyone would stop spouting this line. It is fake fgs. DH works in health IT and knows pretty much everyone who worked on teh NSHX app, both internally, and externally. NONE of them are connected to Cummings. NONE.

The track (and trace) record of the government and truth on this matter (in fact on all matters) doesn't really convince me. Especially when you read how many experts were quite emphatic that the NHSX app simply would never work. At all, let alone as intended.

I actually think the NHS is at fault here for thinking that they could possibly create something to rival an apple/google app. Companies like apple have a huge amount of funds available for development and they attract the best of the best to work for them. It all sounds a rather similar story to the testing fiasco when PHE insisted they could cope and refused to use private labs, until they obviously couldn't and were forced to let the universities get involved.

It isn't 'The NHS' who decided to make their own app. It is a private company with the app just being given the NHS logo. It was a government decision based, like all their decisions, on which donor /cronie can benefit from government contracts

At every turn the Johnson Government makes it worse.

Why call something World Beating. Does this appeal to some “Colonel Blimp” group of people who think Britain rules the waves.

Why every time OVER PROMISE AND UNDER DELIVER?

They managed an app in many other European countries too. Italy launched theirs last week, called Immuni.

The nhsx had to be stood down as they couldn't make the tech work for a number of reasons. I think it's pretty shocking given the number of other neighbouring countries who made it work. Why not learn from them?

@ThousandsAreSailing

It isn't 'The NHS' who decided to make their own app. It is a private company with the app just being given the NHS logo. It was a government decision based, like all their decisions, on which donor /cronie can benefit from government contracts

Yes. Astounded the people are saying ‘the NHS’ are at fault, as though they gave this huge task to their mediocre IT technicians.