I know no one who’s had coronavirus and neither do my friends or family

[mywayhighway]

Or any of their friends or families.
But I have 3 friends who’s businesses probably won’t survive, another who’s husband has just been made redundant, possibly more to follow, a friend who’s teen has sunk into depression. All the dc have missed out educationally and no prospect of getting back to school anytime soon. That’s just my selfish perspective. There’s loads worse off as a consequence of the impact of lockdown and the slow easing out.
Feeling so frustrated with this now. We’re all suffering and I’m not quite sure if the benefits are going to outweigh the losses long term.

One of my neighbours has died and three have it right now, including my next door neighbour.
She's elderly and has a disability, so has carers come in 4 times a day. Its likely she caught if from one of them, and I don't see how they could avoid passing it on.

Its silly to think a wider pandemic wouldn't also have a negative effect on the economy or peoples mental health.

mywayhighway Sat 13-Jun-20 09:36:16
I controversially think that the majority of people who have died we’re already past their life expectancy and had lived a full life. The younger people who have died were tragic but so are deaths from cancer etc.
I think we have had a major overreaction to coronavirus the impact of which scares me much more than the virus.

I 100% agree. And it the effect on the children that worries me most. The school closures are particularly ridiculous as around 12 children in the uk die from flu every year but only 3 have died from CV and there is no evidence that they spread it asymptomatically either.

I controversially think that the majority of people who have died we’re already past their life expectancy and had lived a full life.

Fucking hell... If you do come across someone who has suffered a loss from Covid, please do not say this! This country has suffered so much loss and devastation, lives destroyed and loved ones gone forever. I'm not saying this is not hard on a financial or educational front, but there is no undoing death!

Please somebody tell me the cut off point for these people who have had a full life and therefore appear not to count for much.

Is it 60 , 70 , 80. How does it work ?

I’d love to be in your position OP. We’ve got loads of businesses closing down and I’ve probably definitely lost my job, same with most my family and in laws.

But on top of that we have loads here who’ve had it, and still fighting C19 and it’s been 9 weeks now. We’ve got two in ICU, and lost a dear friend. We’ve got one fighting it who also has cancer, and we’re all worried about a second wave cos that’d probably take out anyone who hasn’t recovered or put them back to square one.

People who’ve got it range from mid 30s to 60s, most don’t have underlying health problems. One in particular in ICU is a long distance runner, doesn’t smoke doesn’t drink.

Genuinely good luck to you and yours because we’ve all lost our jobs and are grieving. Really hurts.

Think regional lifting of lockdown might be needed. Obviously some areas are low on C19 cases, not here.

The alternative (without lockdown) would have been something like '20 of my friends have died, and so their businesses have had to shut down too'
Unlikely in my particular demograph.

I was nursing 40 years, so yes, I do, and a friends DH no health issues, hes not in the medical profession, and is seriously ill. ( 6 weeks on ventilator) Dog walker in the next road, went to hspital, tested positive. DH, DD and 2 of my DSs, certainly had symptoms, back early in the year. We didnt cross infect, we all live in different counties.Majority of people who have died have had their life, what babies,children, and people in their twenties!!!

I think we have had a major overreaction to coronavirus

It's not just the deaths. Back in March, some hospitals have reported up to 40% of their staff were off - you can't have any kind of functioning health service with that amount of absence. Hence the "Save the NHS" message.

Some people have taken weeks, if not months to recover from it. Some are damaged long term or even permanently.

I controversially think that the majority of people who have died we’re already past their life expectancy and had lived a full life. The younger people who have died were tragic but so are deaths from cancer etc.

I don't think that is so much controversial as just factually incorrect.

Incidentally it is not possible to be past your life expectancy, if you think about it you will see that.

However, lockdown was not just about preventing deaths from covid. It was about preventing exponential growth to a natural peak and the associated collapse of nhs care, education, economic activity etc.

I do find huge fault with the govt response, we locked down to late and in the absence of other effective measures. That has meant that we had to lock down longer and are now emerging slowly with little room for manoeuvre. It has meant a higher death toll and a higher economic toll. It's possible one of the reasons for that later lockdown is the view that people would not comply with lockdown while case numbers were low.

I have lost two relatives to Covid. My husband's uncle (in his late 70's) and my beautiful cousin who was just 35. I attended both funerals on a laptop in my living room and I don't think I'll get over not being able to say a proper goodbye to my cousin. I've not been able to comfort my Aunt or hug my mum. One of my friends was very poorly with Covid. She is a young mum to 3 boys (no previous health issues) and needed a hospital stay. She is now home, but 8 weeks later she's still not well. My SIL works in a care home and she's tested positive for the virus but luckily has displayed only minor symptoms. These are just the people in my immediate circle; I know of least 6 other people through work, school, hobbies etc who have had the virus.

Absolutely randomer. I know five people who have died and their loss to those who love them has been utterly dreadful. I also know that a

Regional lockdowns might work for MH too. I can’t imagine how this is affecting people being locked down.

But we’re in the same boat and families grieving and some still bed bound after so many weeks. That’s worse on MH than being restricted and without grief and C19. We can even have proper funerals.

Actually (awfully) forgot we lost two others at the beginning, one was recovering from cancer and another mid 60s very healthy and both grandparents.

Feel very sad reading this thread - my heart goes out to those of you who have lost family members or friends to this terrible virus.

I don’t know anyone who has died from it, however two of my cousins were confirmed (tested) to have had it and I am almost certain that my daughter and myself had it in March.

Sitting at home on furlough for a few months is the easy part. It's the economic collapse that's to come that's the concern (and just how many jobs and industries will go due to shutting down the economy for months).

@WowLucky

I do know two people, a woman who works in a care home and her husband. I don't know anyone who's caught it in the community.

However, there do seem to be a high number of footballers and other celebrities who've tested positive. Why is that?

Because they're tested more and are tested positive without symptoms.

In the wider community people don't usually get the tests unless they're ill with the symptoms.

Everyone on this thread could have had it for all we know.

@MsAwesomeDragon your poor dad losing so many friends

In an activity group I am in, I know the relatives of 8 who have had it - all young and very fit, including one of my own children ( and they have no social connection to each other nor are geographically that close ) . Only one was asymptomatic at the time he was tested ( went into hospital with an arm injury ) and then he spiked a temperature and fell ill two days later. Two admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties, others recovered at home reported feeling the worst they ever had - not a bad cold, not flu, much worse. And all have reported weird post recovery mini illnesses involving shortness of breath and fatigue.

I’m not saying my experience is typical but equally nor is ‘ well, I don’t know anyone therefore it’s all overblown and only old people anyway’

Typical over simplified and polarised discussion of extreme positions by people with absolutely no qualifications.

The we shouldn't have had any lockdown people set p camp, the we shouldn't stop lockdown people set up camp nextdoor, and holy way ensues.

Carrying on as normal is not viable.

Being in lockdown down forever is also not viable.

Perhaps there's some middle ground with could help to mitigate the economic risk and the health risk? That doesn't involve picking an extreme side of an argument and shouting at each other angrily online?

My partner is from Taiwan. They have the procedures and tech in place to stop the spread (quarantine, tracking, tracing), and have had no lockdown. However, despite no lockdown, everybody there is very sensible and cautious about how they approach life. The highest daily infection number they had was 15 or something like that.

It wasn't an all or nothing approach that achieved that.

You're all shouting at each other, and it's completely inconsequential.

The government are the ones with the ability to commission the building of the tech and passing of the laws required to deal with this. And there are completely successful blueprints of how to achieve it sitting there waiting to be reproduced.

Shout at government for goodness sake.

I used to work in a health care setting so still have a lot of friends that work there. Over 30 people have contracted covoid, a few have been very seriously ill. It has been passed onto their husbands/ partners also.

Be grateful op! I know 6 people that have died directly from covid-19, I Also know 2 who caught it at the start of March and are still very ill because if it.

I also have family members who have list job because their business has folded- but they are still alive so are better off.

I’ve had to attend funerals on zoom which are awful as you can’t reach out and hug the people you love.

@mywayhighway

I controversially think that the majority of people who have died we’re already past their life expectancy and had lived a full life. The younger people who have died were tragic but so are deaths from cancer etc. I think we have had a major overreaction to coronavirus the impact of which scares me much more than the virus.

That is such bollocks. Dismissing the lives of so many people with so many reasons to live.

You really aren't a very nice person, are you? Would anyone miss you?

Use this to see the number of cases/deaths in your area.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

@EnlightenedOwl, I don't see how comparing this new virus with other illnesses is relevant. That's like saying 'everyone dies of something, so what?'. I'm fairly sure if 40,000 people suddenly died from flu or pneumonia in the space of a couple of months, that I would feel the same. I would want to know why and I would want steps to be taken to protect my and other people's loved ones. Because it would be an anomaly.

Chris Witty said at the one the early press briefings that the vast majority of people who get covid will only suffer mild symptoms - sadly that message seems to have got lost.

Yes, you’re right, at an individual level, if you are relatively young and healthy, you have very little to fear. The issue isn’t that a Covid is the next Black Death, it’s clearly not.... but neither is it “just the flu” either. Unfortunately, the risk is sufficiently significant for enough people that it can’t just be treated as another bug... It’s mortality is 10 times that of the flu, and given flu pushes hospitals to the verge of breaking point in bad winters, clearly something that’s 10 times as deadly would be completely overwhelming if we just let it rip through. And it’s not just those the 100,000s who would die in an unmanaged situation, it’s 100,000s more those who survive but only after weeks on a ventilator, or even the 1,000,000+who “just” a needed oxygen treatment or a few nights in intensive care. Of course, those beds (or more
importantly staff) wouldn’t be available if we had let it rip through so those who have survived with treatment would have been left to die increasing mortality much further. Most would have been over 80 or in poor health, but if allowed to rip through many younger people (albeit a small proportion) would have died or been hospitalised too. And if you think that normal medical treatment has been put on hold... it would have been even more severe in an uncontrolled epidemic.

So, yes, Chris Whitty is absolutely right that large majority of us would get through largely unscathed from a personal health perspective... but he’s also right when he understands that we can’t just say “screw it, let’s go back to normal - it was all a waste of time.”

A lot of my friends have had it - all fine now. However a friend’s mum had an operation cancelled and has now been told likely to be too late by time she can have it rescheduled. Another friend’s brother has killed himself during lockdown. Why are the people with coronavirus lives more important than theirs.