I'dWhat do you think of the English government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic so far?

[Twinklelittlestar1]

Following on from a previous thread I'd really like to know what you think?

I only started posting here reguarly again (since mat leave 5 years ago), over the last couple of months.

MN has swung quite a long way to the right in general since then.

There has been some very anti Boris news articles in The Telegraph and The Daily Mail over the last 2 weeks.

I think some Tories are fed up with him too.

@ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans

I agree with that. They've lost public trust. Schools are linked to that - they lost teacher's trust when they threw care homes and NHS (PPE) under the bus. Knock on effects will be substantial from that. And then there was Cummings, which was a more overt lie/cover up, and therefore impossible to get back from. The rest they could have hidden under 'new virus, unknowns, waffle'. Cummings they can't.

My dad, a member of the Tory party for 50 years and ex Tory councillor, is pissed off with Johnson. Particularly over the Cummings thing. He's only pissed off with Johnson though, everyone else is just 'doing the best they can in a tricky situation'.

Apparently @ImMrsRobinson isn’t a Tory. 😂

OhTheRoses- from around 10:30 this morning.

"It is twice as rife in UK hospitals than on the Continent. There has to be a link with basic and routine hospital hygiene. I am gobsmacked the government actually had to tell all NHS workers and not just the front-line to wear masks everywhere. And now we have Hcps complaining they have to wear a basic face mask."

Don't you fucking dare.

'Basic and routine hospital hygiene'? Try: Being told, by NHS management, in the first 12 days following the March 23 lockdown that basic PPE was absolutely not necessary in face to face contact with 'ordinary out-patients'. Did the science back that? No it absolutely fucking didn't.

Why were we told that? Because The Country Did Not Have The PPE For Us To Wear. That's what drove that 'policy'.

Don't you dare suggest the issue was 'basic hygiene' It was being 'unprepared for a pandemic that was racing towards us like an out-of-control freight train' but, we're British, innit? We don't cave like those pussy forrin European types, Oh No, bit of flu, stiff upper lip, Bob's yer Uncle.

Wear masks everywhere? Can you show me where that was enshrined in government policy?

I assume you are referring to me regarding- "And now we have Hcps complaining they have to wear a basic face mask". Yes, I do fucking object. Because like I've said, I've spent 10 weeks sitting side by side with 8 other people, drawn from a rotating cast of 18, in a 7x4m room, for 12 hour shifts not wearing a mask because I wasn't allowed to squander Matt Hancock's 'precious resource'. We weren't allowed to wear masks all shift.

And, 12 days into lock down, when it was felt we just might have enough PPE, we started wearing masks for all patient contact. But we wear the same mask, face to face, with patients, for 4 hour stints. Carefully doffing and donning it.

So fuck off with your ignorant, stupid statement.

Oh, Clavinola- the Tories could murder kittens in the street and you'd find a way of justifying it.

Bless.

Brexit's looking good, innit?

My DB, 59, is up there with Atilla The Hun in so many issues.

His political allegiance whizzes all over the place, generally a bit to a lot to the right of centre, but, right now, BLM. However...

He voted Brexit but recognises that his 'victory' was won on the back of a lot of manipulation of the unthinking.

However, tonight, he made the point that the countries doing far worse in all this are those run by increasingly right-wing, autocratic men: USA, UK, Brazil, Russia, India.

Whereas a lot who have done well are run by women... Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen; New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern; the German chancellor, Angela Merkel; Denmark’s prime minister, Mette Frederiksen; and Sanna Marin, the Finnish prime minister.

Clavinova - Three times as many people per 1m population have died in Ireland compared to Germany and Denmark - Ireland and Denmark have a similar population size - Ireland just under 5 m, Denmark 5.7 m. Does Ireland have a poorly funded health service?

Here's a chart to show deaths per million from Covid in the European countries mentioned plus the UK (top line on the chart)

Bunch of clueless 6th formers.

I think the government have done well. Protecting people and their income. There was no magic wand to make everything right.
I think they communicated well with their daily briefings.

I think the government have done well. Protecting people and their income. There was no magic wand to make everything right.
I think they communicated well with their daily briefings.

Clavinova, have you namechanged?

@DustyMaiden then you are delusional.

Well its been a totally disastrous shit show, hasn't it? I was lucky enough to get out of the UK years ago, but I have lots of friends and family there, and most of them are horrified by how it has been handled. And I'm worried for them. My mum is particularly annoyed by the Cummings debacle, as she said it just showed the blatant contempt the Tories have for people, the rules are only for the little people.

Poor Boris has a couple of special difficulties.

Firstly, he is an incompetent, and has delegated power to his unelected extremist.

Secondly, he is fishing in a very shallow pool of talent, because he sacked, deselected or bullied out of office those members of his party who were experienced, intelligent, competent, and not supporters of his Brexit line. His cabinet is filled only with those loyalists who swore their loyalty to him personally (which is ironic since he has never been loyal to anyone or anything).

Meanwhile, his underlings have been bullying, removing or sidelining those civil servants, and England's Chief Nursing Officer, and England's Deputy Chief Medical Officer when they are not prepared to lie on his behalf, or to gloss over Cummings misbehaviour.

We are left with the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel.

Shapps, Raab and Hancock, for example.

@DustyMaiden

I think the government have done well. Protecting people and their income. There was no magic wand to make everything right. I think they communicated well with their daily briefings.

I don’t think anyone expected a magic wand.

A degree of integrity might help.
Not using situation to line the deep pockets of his cronies might help.
Listening to scientists and virologists might help.
Learning from those ahead might help.
Working with other countries might help.
Clarity of message and decisiveness might help.
Sacking Cummings might help.
Being anywhere but playing tennis might help.
Following the rules himself might help.

Chicken totally agree. And Andrew Pearce has been negative about him. It's these elements I find most interesting and like to study more than a righty standing by Boris or a lefty standing against.

Mil I stand by you. My mum has just spent 10 days in hospital due to neutropenic sepsis and been left with poor kidney function.
From day 1 she was placed in a room alone. Everyone wore full face masks etc until she had Covid negative test (she didn't have it). Then when clear when moved to clean ward and own room again and hygeine was second to none.

Because it was available.

And I know it wasn't available at the beginning. Because our school supplies were stopped from county stores to be sent to NHS.

Yet we still had to open.

People really don't have a clue.