I'dWhat do you think of the English government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic so far?

[Twinklelittlestar1]

Following on from a previous thread I'd really like to know what you think?

Whilst I am categorically against Momentum, this video kind of sums it up for me:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQDPQ8bz7cU

I am appalled and surprised. And given that I loathe the Tory party and lived through the Thatcher years, that is saying something. The government has sunk to depths of incompetence and stupidity that I simply did not imagine could be achieved by any group of so called leaders.

I too want to emigrate. But who'd have an angry, broken middle aged woman these days?!

How they’ve managed schools is awful

Agreed- they haven't managed schools at all.
Just changed the guidelines every 2 minutes.

Crap. Lurching between announcing spontaneous unthought-out decisions and proclaiming how well they're doing.

Their repeated insistence that various of their strategies are world leading, makes them a complete laughing stock.

Car crash of government incompetence bordering on criminal

Yes the “world beating” thing makes me laugh. If in doubt just announce it’s a world beating policy and then through in a couple of random Latin phrases you’ve memorised. Job done.

Devastating.
Incompetent.
Arrogant.
Dithering.
I could go on. The care homes scandal needs investigating. The delays in doing anything proactive were shocking. The management of lockdown, the economy and schools have been an absolute shit show.

I'm really reassured by the responses here. Posters on another thread were having me think that I was wrong in believing that the majority of people see the major failings from our government.

I'm waiting for the bots to chime in with their pasted responses. Perhaps they only work 9-5

Absolute shit storm.
Genocide in Care homes
A 'leader' who made light of the mass deaths that were coming our way
Gutless management of the Cummings - Bernard Castle farce - throwing mud into the faces of those people who have made huge sacrifices to stick to the lockdown guidances
Locked down way too late
Disgraceful management of getting pupils back to school - because teachers and parents can't trust the government
Other diseases like Cancer etc not being treated
The PPE disgrace
The wide-spread abuse of Furlough by companies because the rules weren't tight enough
= one of the highest deaths in Europe & the World (so far)
= one of the biggest economic downturns in Europe

(& we haven't even began to deal with the destruction that Brexit will have on our economy and standards in food/health and safety/civil liberties etc).

No...I'm not impressed.

Appalling. And we are getting a hard Brexit adding to our woes. Unbelievable

Yep a shitshow.
PPE
Care homes
Testing
Contradictory advice
Their top people not following the guidance
Quarantining people arriving now... why not 4 months ago
Schools closure etc etc etc

Tadpolesandfroglets common sense would tell you that how anything is handled is based on the information available and in this scenario it was incorrect information based from China. It’s also why other countries are under fire

@ImMrsRobinsin that information was ignored by our government when other European countries were already acting we were trifling our thumbs. Boris wasn’t attending meetings, he was too Brexit focused. We have the highest death toll, many other countries that experienced the virus (with a similar demographic to ours) coped better because they acted sooner. End of story. It’s not rocket science. Blaming China, as I said, is too late once the virus is already here.

*twiddling

As you wish Tadpolesandfroglets don’t blame the drink driver for the death blame the delayed ambulance or the NHS.

I will leave you to your government bashing wank fest thread

Are you completely happy with how the government has handled the situation? I can’t believe you would be and btw that’s an idiotic analogy.

"English" government?

How is that idiot? You fail to see past your own political bitterness.

Of course it could have been handled differently! And not just in the UK. You don’t have all the facts that decisions have based been on.

Why ignore the root cause? It’s like telling a lung cancer survivor to get their cough checked out quicker next time instead of stopping smoking.

No one really knows so having an opinion is pretty worthless.

There are a lot of what ifs but as our population is very different in terms of age, socio economic difference and density we can't be compared to any other country.

They told us people would die, they told us to stay in, they gave some people money so they didn't have to go to work and they did what the scientists suggested they do.

Now you've got people saying lockdown should continue, some people saying we all should just get back to it, you have people saying schools should be off till god knows when and then others fighting for children to be allowed back to school.

Plain fact is that we don't know if what they did meant less people died or more.

It's the same as Brexit really, we don't know how it will go but won't really be able to compare it to what may have happened if we stuck to the status quo as the status quo is now going to be very very different.

@ImMrsRobinson I am angry with the government yes, but open to a fair discussion. I have voted conservative in the past so you have no idea of my political leanings. The fact is the virus was in the country, how the government reacted to that was key. If you want me to write it in analogy form because you are so keen on them, someone comes to the doctors with meningitis, they leave the patient on the trolley for 24 hours before they decide to do anything. The patient dies. Who do we blame?

@Bloomburger we do know that it’s highly likely that if they acted sooner there would have been fewer cases. Scientists are corroborating this. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/07/uk-failure-to-lock-down-earlier-cost-many-uk-lives-top-scientist-says

The fact is the virus was in the country

Bingo! Yes it was but far longer than we knew about thanks to China. The country was riddled with it. Everything was initially based on the fact it was not widespread but it was.

With hindsight it took hold in February or even late January. By the time information emerged from China and Italy we were in its grip. We still don't know if it will fizzle like SARS.

We went overboard to protect the NHS and if we hadn't the care home deaths might not have happened.

It is twice as rife in UK hospitals than on the Continent. There has to be a link with basic and routine hospital hygiene. I am gobsmacked the government actually had to tell all NHS workers and not just the front-line to wear masks everywhere. And now we have Hcps complaining they have to wear a basic face mask.

London effectively did shut w/c 16th March. Pubs and restaurants shoukd have closed and and so should our borders.

We will not know the full impact of this until it's over sadly. We will then have action plans for covid which will be irrelevant when the next thing comes along.

Fundamental difference between Germany, Austria, NL and Scandinavia is that they are all considerably cleaner than the UK, Spain, Italy, France his a his personal and public health/public sector hygiene. This will be the greatest divider imo.

Schools shoukd have shut a week earlier; but should have returned 11th May for Primary and 1 June for secondary. That has been a massive shit show but I blame the teaching unions mostly for that.