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Fab news for single parents and those living alone !!

319 replies

Sunnydays123456 · 10/06/2020 17:25

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52988840

OP posts:
Laniakea · 10/06/2020 23:54

"I suspect the purpose of it was to allow single people to fuck ..."

^ Is that a bad thing? Maybe they should make it retrospective so Neil Ferguson can un-resign?

It works well for 75yo MIL, she's currently living with a relative but will be entirely alone from mid-June, it will be a relief for all of us to know dh could go down & stay if there were a crisis.

2007Millie · 10/06/2020 23:56

@TheresGotToBeMoreToLife

Yes, as a single parent with children under 18 you can go and see both your parents under the new guidelines.

ImaPinkToothbrush · 11/06/2020 00:02

I'm perplexed by this.

The rule preventing people from mixing with people over 70 was to protect the over 70s from catching it, since they stand a significantly higher chance of dying.

Now the rule has changed, do you think your elderly parents are suddenly immune?

I fully understand people taking the opportunity to visit their elderly relatives, allow them to see grandchildren etc. But for gods sake do it at a safe distance.

Sending your kids to your mothers house for a sleepover... especially if those kids have been attending school, or mixing with other children, or visiting separated parents who might have mixed with their own bubbles... is no less risky today than it was a week ago.

TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 11/06/2020 00:06

We are both the single adult in our own houses. DS and I have contact with no one else, DP takes care of his children during the day, ex wife is a key worker meeting lots of people during the day.

I’m sure we only need the ex wife to get exposed to the virus and our bubble would burst. So I suppose we need clearer rules or continue to sit it out Sad

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 11/06/2020 00:07

'How on earth has this announcement confused people? It's really very bloody simple"
Many cannot be bothered to watch and listen to the Daily Briefing where they hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

People talking about Govt motives - the PM said it was to provide support to those who live alone or single parents with kids under 18 to combat loneliness. Then people on here start speculating it's so that couples who don't live together can have sex, it's so that singletons can obtain childcare from the bubble and go to work, blah, blah, blah. FFS, it's to help the lonely.

Dunking · 11/06/2020 00:31

I've got a 6 week window to see my DP then as son turns 18 in 6 weeks Shock

TimeWastingButFun · 11/06/2020 00:35

The PM definitely said one person in EACH household unless one of them had a child.

TimeWastingButFun · 11/06/2020 00:37

(As in they can take a child with them).

ilovecherries · 11/06/2020 00:47

[quote BobbieDraper]@FuzzyPuffling
What do you want them to do? The shielding group are the group who are most likely to die. There is literally nothing they can do. They dont control the virus, obviously, and there is no vaccine. You have a choice; continue to sheild or ignore advice and risk your life by going out. Its not ageist or disabalist or anything else people are saying it is. There is literally nothing they can do to help you if you start mixing with people, so do you want them to give you the green light to risk your own life?

You can do that anyway, but dont blame the government if you get sick.[/quote]
I’ve read many harsh and callous messages in my time on MN, but this probably wins the medal for one of the nastiest. At an individual level, there is the issue of talking like this to someone who may be alone, afraid and completely devoid of human contact and interaction for months, and may be facing many more months of the same.

On a societal level, how can we ever think it’s ok to metaphorically lock people away while everyone else goes about their business. A Boris box of fray bentos pies and tinned potatoes doesn’t cut it. The government needs to find ways of dealing with this equitably. I can understand in the first flush of the crisis that shielding had to be used as a blunt instrument, but 14 weeks in, we need to find more nuanced ways of dealing with it. At the very least, there needs to be a proper and ongoing acknowledgement that 1.5 million people, and the families that are also under house arrest with them haven’t been forgotten. We need to find ways of making the environment safe for them that will allow them some freedom to be outside without worrying about every person who won’t move out of the way. As a society, we need to be demanding that something can and should be done for this group. And as individuals, we can stop being so damn nasty and pointing out they might die. Believe me, every single one of them knows that.

MrsTravers · 11/06/2020 00:49

I listened to this on the radio and thought it was clear that it was to alleviate loneliness for adults who have been living alone (or with children under 18). It's to alleviate loneliness and they can act as a household with one other household - there was no mention of a limit of the size of that household.

I thought it was a lovely gesture for people like my sister who have been alone since March.

It's not risk free but an acknowledgement that there are greater risks to people being alone for so long, surely?

I find it truly dispiriting that each of these announcements are used by people to justify rule bending. The more that do it, the higher the risks.

I haven't seen my parents since Christmas, they live too far away. I'd love to be in a position to choose to see one of them (or meet them in a garden, which lots of people seem to think is unreasonable too).

strugglingwithdeciding · 11/06/2020 00:57

Myself , mum and dad all watched this and we all interpreted it slightly different
I thought one single adult could meet another family
My dad thought one single adult could only meet another single adult
And my mum thought a single person could have a visit from a member of another household but not visit them ( not sure how she came to this )
But when bbc put up it looked more like I wAa right
But as with anything there will be some difficulties like your mum and mil both single who do you pick , I hope two households can form a bubble inside for anyone soon especially looking at weather next week or so

TheSparklyPussycat · 11/06/2020 01:00

ImaPink The rule preventing people from mixing with people over 70 was to protect the over 70s from catching it, since they stand a significantly higher chance of dying.

There has never been such a rule.

BobbieDraper · 11/06/2020 01:43

@ilovecherries

And what would those measures be? Provide every citizen with a hazmat suit and make it law that they wear them?

Shut everything down; pharmacies, food shops, pavements... everything... to allow them out for a day?

We couldnt get people to stop having house parties and picnics. You think we can get the other 65 odd million people to stay indoors so the 1.5million can go out?

Its a pandemic. "Governments" cant fix everything. They could make all the rules they like for "shielded day only". People wont stick to it; look at the mess that was lockdown. And when people start dieing because they were "allowed out when it should have been safe", how do you think people will treat the government?

Some things simply aren't feasible.

WhitbyGoth · 11/06/2020 02:13

Not if your a single mum who has been told to shield until August!

bubbleup · 11/06/2020 02:27

"How on earth has this announcement confused people? It's really very bloody simple"
Many cannot be bothered to watch and listen to the Daily Briefing where they hear it straight from the horse's mouth."

I watched it and the bbc reported one thing before changing it. Chris Whitty had to correct and clarify Johnson yet again. I take it you couldn't be bothered to watch today because the horse was getting pretty mixed up himself

JeSuisPoulet · 11/06/2020 02:54

We (myself and dd) are bubbling up with my dad, also single household.

I've found lockdown extremely isolating tbh - actually made worse by hearing on FB how many zoom chats have been had that I still wasn't invited to (I always thought I never got invited out because of no childcare Wink ).

I have however had a guy I know who is single but lives with his parents complaining that no one wants him in their bubble Hmm Thus I suspect many people will use this to get back onto dating sites etc - willful ignorance, possibly.

TheUnquestionedAnswer · 11/06/2020 02:57

If I visited dm, it would be train, train, taxi. I don't think I will be able to, will I? She is 88 and has underlying health conditions. I could pick up the virus on the journey Sad

birthdaybelle · 11/06/2020 03:22

I can't actually believe that people are following the rules to this degree... how can this be okay from Saturday but not now? How can it be safe if one person joins a 4 person family but not 2, 2 person households joining? It's absolute bullshit and I'll be damned if I follow these ridiculous arbitrary rules instead of making my own risk assessments

lljkk · 11/06/2020 05:12

BBC LK was tweeting details out before BJ had finished the announcement.
I was listening to press conf at same time I read her twitter feed.
What I think this means is govt had released the details to media in advance which govts do often, to prep journos to be ready with the messaging.
Problem is I think there was miscomms betw govt & hitty, about the policy details.
So LK & BJ & CW all spoke in good faith...

Hence all the confusion in what's allowed re the bubbles.

Today will involve a lot of mop up operations.

lljkk · 11/06/2020 05:14

Witty not Whitty or hitty, ha.

tootyfruitypickle · 11/06/2020 06:45

@birthdaybelle because if less people do it the societal risk is lower. Think about acting for the greater good.

Not spending time with another adult, in the midst of a pandemic , has been horrendous.
If you have a DP or DH, you’ve had support during it. It’s not about increasing social life, it’s about reducing harm to those of us who have not had that support.

tootyfruitypickle · 11/06/2020 06:47

We can all make our individual risk assessments but the rules are there to protect everyone as a whole not the individual.

KatherineJaneway · 11/06/2020 06:52

How on earth has this announcement confused people? It's really very bloody simple

This ^^

LockdownBlues · 11/06/2020 07:01

It's absolute bullshit and I'll be damned if I follow these ridiculous arbitrary rules instead of making my own risk assessments

I completely agree. As a PP said they have 6 weeks when it is allowed for them to meet another household, and then her son turns 18 after which it is not allowed? How does that make any difference to virus transmission? It's nonsensical

I've made my own risk assessments and broken a rule when I judged it to have absolutely zero risk of transmitting the virus. You're telling me that my 'zero risk but against the rules' decision is more detrimental to the greater good than someone else's 'within the rules mixing children with elderly parents' choice? Simply because Boris has decided it to be so?

And what about the different rules in Scotland and Wales? Is meeting with your elderly parents safe in England but not in Scotland? It's bollocks.

QueenofmyPrinces · 11/06/2020 07:20

The Independent is reporting it as though the adult from the single adult household can bubble up with another household of any size.

I imagine on tonight’s briefing they will be clarifying their instructions and then answering lots of complicated questions about them too.